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Permanent PBN links are a giant fucking ripoff

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by turdface, May 17, 2017.

  1. turdface

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    Go through this entire thread before you have a fit.

    I'm not selling anything, and if I was no one would buy it because it would be way more costly than anything else on this forum and with all your tier 2 garbage you would probably fuck it up anyway.

    It's popular now to sell permanent PBN links. How come you wouldn't want that? Isn't paying one time better than paying again and again? OMG HOW CAN I LOSE??! $72 for 150 links or whatever, hah.

    Let me show you why it's a catastrophic idea that will, eventually, ruin your site. First, let's all agree that businesses exist to make money. If I am selling links on a network, it is to make money. Right, sometimes I might be nice and give a link away for free, but generally speaking I am selling them to make money. Second, specifically two things can happen with "permanent" links. Watch what I do here:

    one) You sell links. People buy them. Let's assume you are honest and you are leaving them on your sites forever. They are permanent. Let's say you sell 15 links. That's a good number for a site. Now what happens? You can't sell anymore because you don't want to go over a certain number so your sites don't turn into junk sites with too many links. You've now sold 15 links and you can't sell anymore or your clients will drop because your sites will lose their authority. You now have to continue to make money, but you can't sell anymore links on these sites. Now some douchebag is going to go "but that's too few, what if you sell 100 links instead?" Same thing, it just takes longer and your sites get awful in the meantime. Why are you going to keep paying for them? You're not making any money off of them. 1, 10 years from now, are you still going to be paying for these sites to be up because of your clients? Of course not. You'd be losing money. So you let the sites go offline. Now all your links lost their value. All clients who had links on them that were permanent just lost their ranking. Way to go.

    two) You sell links. People buy them. But you keep selling links because these people are not paying monthly prices. You sell more and more. For these sites to keep being profitable for you you have to sell more links. You sell so many people people keep buying them. Now, you are running a linkfarm. Every person who bought a link on your site is getting harmed because their links are now from your crappy sites with too many links on them. Way to go.

    Let's use values. Say you build 15 sites. You are paying $30 a year for a site to maintain these sites. That's $450/year. Ok, so you sold a bunch of permanent packages. But you don't want to go over 10 links or whatever per site. So you sell them, and then you cannot sell anymore, but you still have to pay $450 per year indefinitely to keep these sites online. Your clients are expecting these links to be online endlessly. They are going to be pissed when you let your sites expire. Ten years from now you will have spent $4,500 keeping your sites present. How many people are going to do that? The other option is to keep selling. Try to make more than $450 per year on these sites so you are generating income. Because people don't want to spend a lot, you sell them for like $12 for 10 links. lol. You sell 100 in your first year and make $1,200, but now your site is worthless and all your clients are pissed. Your permanent links keep coming and people keep paying, you get so many links on your sites that they stop working.

    Those are the two choices. There is no happy medium. You either get a good number of links on a site that will eventually go offline so they seller doesn't keep costs, or you get links from a site that will become a pile of massive links that have no value and will get your site harmed. What makes these the only two options? Because businesses exist to make money! Stopping after a specific number of links and not getting paid after that does not make money, so they will either drop the sites or continue to sell links. Either way, you the purchaser lose.

    The only way to make sure you are not getting nonsense links is to pay a monthly fee. That is the seller's only incentive to keep the pages decent and the sites online. People are not going to understand this so read it again before posting.

    I believe SEO buyer education is substantially lacking.
     
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  2. SEO

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    I have no horse in this race as I don't sell PBN links and I build all of my own. I did want to address this though. There seems to be a false dichotomy. There could be a happy medium: add more content to the PBN sites that aren't intended for link building purposes. Just readable articles that link out to authority sites only.

    I don't know what your experience has been personally, but if it has only been one of these 2 options then I hope PBN sellers see my post and consider that as an option rather than letting their properties die.
     
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    With all of the years that this forum has been online, I'm shocked that your username was still available to be registered (this statement has nothing to do with the post).
     
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    As I said in another thread, misinformation abounds, especially about SEO. When you say stuff like what you posted, people get mad. Some won't listen. Some don't care.

    Some know what they're doing with these permanent links (like actually know what they are doing) but I agree that most SEO buyers are ignorant and buy into the hype.
     
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    You're right, but there are some PBN's that charge a monthly fee instead of one time fees that become all of what you said. Those wold be the sellers to look for.... or build your own.
     
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    Everybody must have thought the username must have been taken so didn't bother to check it.
     
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    Probably, I get that a lot, but I don't want my name to distract from @turdface's post, so back on topic! :)
     
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    Why would you post more articles? You are no longer making money if you're not getting paid monthly or selling new links. We are not talking if the site is making money on its own, but I doubt people are selling this kind of thing on money sites.
     
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    The idea is to pad the site with content so you can keep selling links. No need to stop at just 10 links, or load the site with only paid links. Not sure how many pbn sellers would do this, but it's an option to consider for a more sustainable model. Plus, the sites would look more natural.
     
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    Even if you put extra articles on it you will eventually reach a number where the site has too many links.

    There is a question that someone might ask in response to this but I'm going to wait until I talk about that.
     
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    The only thing I really use is PBNs, but upon reading this I think we might be using that word to refer to different things.
     
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    Links aren't going to be on the homepage on real sites forever either. They will eventually fall to the wayside, and into the depths of an evergrowing web property. This is just the natural part of being on the internet... over time the links will age and pass more juice.

    I agree that 90% of the junk PBN's here won't even last 2 years though, but the handful of legit sellers that don't plug in random shit to their PBNs all day every day can be very well worth it.
     
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    I hate it how they say " Permanent Homepage Links" after two weeks the links roll back to inner pages (causing a big effin drop in ranking) and as no one provides report you can even raise the issue to the seller as your not sure who made which links. I only buy services on churn and burn sites these days.
     
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    Depends on what you define as too many links.
    I have seen a couple of sellers ( not here on BHW ) who are using old articles on aged domains and adding peoples links into these articles, which gives decent juice. Downside is there's other peoples links sometimes on the same page / article, so you may be sharing the same page with 1 or 2 others peoples links.
     
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    hey @OP what if you grow your pbn to bigger size and keep it to the 1link/per article
     
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    A lot of this has to do with the buyer's mentality. Buying links in such a matter most times will be for the short term, 6 month - a year. And you would eventually lose links over time, just build new ones or as others have said, build a pbn.
     
  18. turdface

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    You reach a level where if you don't have enough force on your site, you can't keep adding links indefinitely. Some sites can do it, but those are like large established sites. Your random site with 100 outbound links is going to look bad. Here, Forbes has 100s of links on their site, but if Forbes asked you if you wanted a link, the answer would be yes. But you are not Forbes, and you cannot maintain 100 links on your site without it looking improper.
     
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    why not, many blogs have more than 100 links due to their size
     
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    Consider the authority of those sites vs the number of links they have.