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people who sell SEO are idiots

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by nonai, Mar 21, 2015.

  1. nonai

    nonai Power Member

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    came a a realization recently. people who sell SEO to clients are idiots.

    Don't you see "clients" are nothing but middle men?

    Let's say your client is a plumber. you charge him $1,000 a month for SEO. he gets $10,000 worth of clients from your SEO per month. guess what? you just lost $9,000. why would I let the plumber take my $9,000 from me?

    "but you are not a plumber" yes, but i AM a carpenter. in the time I ranked the plumber, i could have ranked carpenter and monetized the site directly.

    There is never a good reason to do SEO for other people.

    That's why I am not actively looking for SEO clients. That's why I am not trying to rank for SEO services [city] any more. If someone refers me, maybe, just maybe I will take the job. but I won't be out there seeking clients any more.
     
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    Panther28 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    awaiting TOmmy's response to this.
     
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    Wow!!!! :) Amazon, send me a few packs of popcorn please! Looks like the 1st Internet World War is just going to begin!!!




    jk :)
     
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  4. givensia

    givensia Regular Member

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    Damn you're right!!! Your logic is incredibly sound and spotless!



    im being sarcastic
     
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    pesodemenos Newbie

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    Well, you had a bad experience with SEO? I think you are talking for all the SEO sellers, and that's not cool. Some sellers are good in their job, and can made you a lot of money.
     
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    You should have more than 1 $1,000/month client, dumbass.

    A good SEO could be making $20,000/month while all their clients are only making $10,000
     
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    Most people don't have trade skills and those with trade skills don't generally have SEO knowledge. If you're in the tiny percent that has both then you can rank for yourself but otherwise you're argument makes no sense.
     
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    Did you even read what you posted?
     
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    TrevorB Senior Member

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    Some times I think people make posts like this just to ease their own minds.

    LOL thanks for letting us know.
     
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    Zevoltai Senior Member

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    Say that to people like Taktical and Leith who probably rake in 7 figs a month from their clients
     
  11. myopic1

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    I respectfully disagree with you for a number of reasons but I do see your point.

    Customer based SEO is the quickest way to money, especially useful when you're starting out in this game. If you're a good salesman in the real world you can get 10 customers relatively quickly who each pay $1000 a month for your services (or upwards of that) regardless of your SEO ability. You get paid from day 1 even if you rank on page 10. Now if someones is actually decent at SEO (which I would hope they are but it wouldn't be unusual not to be) as well as sales you can quickly start racking up decent amounts of money, get repeat business, while still bringing in more customers. Your earning potential is exponential providing you have ways to automate/outsource the work. Customer based SEO can also provide you with a sweet way of life, you work from a laptop, the rest can be left to your creativity.

    If you actually do the business on the end of the website you create a ceiling for yourself where your earning potential is now based on your time, i.e you've created a regular job which is NOT the reason I signed up for this.
     
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  12. lord1027

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    OMFG... I can't believe you're serious.
    Why do you buy vegetables from the market? You could grow them in your backyard and stop wasting money.

    If services wouldn't make profit for clients too, there would be no clients. If SEO services would cost me $1000 and I'd make $800, would I be buying more services?

    I'm wasting time trying to explain the obvious, I can't believe how bad you failed...
     
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    There is a majour flaw in your logic. Assuming people who sell SEO actually know something about SEO.
     
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    this thread is very exciting :)
     
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    Thanks OP. Because of your amazing insight and intelligence I just made $250,000 this morning. I ranked for "breast augmentation" and signed up 50 girls at $5k a pop. I have no fucking idea how to do the procedure but fuck the plastic surgeon...I now get to keep 100% of the revenue!!

    I hope to see more quality posts like this from you.

    We we will all be filthy rich if you keep dropping gems like this!
     
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    Why let the fcking surgeon get the targeted traffic? Let OP do those surgeries himself and have all the fun... Errr... the money to himself. :)
     
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    It all makes sense now. Guys, all this time we thought he was an SEO service provider, but he's actually a carpenter!
     
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    7 figs a month? LOL what? I think you need to wake up and get in the real world.
     
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    Why? Don't you have anything to say on your own?

    well... you definitely didn't read the post or maybe you just can't read.

    If I understand OP correctly... what he's trying to say is that instead of doing SEO for them, you should rank yourself and sell leads/customers to those who know the trade.
    Let's say you're an affiliate of a dental clinic... so instead of ranking them on the top, you rank yourself and then charge that clinic for every job they do on your referred clients (so basically even in 10 years you'd still be collecting commission for the sales you've done in the past).
     
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    But what a SEO is good at is.........SEO.

    You seem to think that anyone who provides top quality SEO must be a qualified {insert whatever here} also
     
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