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People who are making money with PPC are tight lipped!

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  1. bigballin6161

    bigballin6161 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I have been looking around for a while as I am going to be starting with PPC, well Adwords to be exact. There is obvioulsy some people making a rediculous amount of money doing it, but you can find very little information on it as obviously they do not want to share their methods. I think that if you can hack it out and figure it out yourself your all set! Or you could end up broke fast!
     
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    i tried and lost a lot, still trying to find the magic bullet for this
     
  3. bigballin6161

    bigballin6161 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Oh ya what were you doing Adwords/CPA?
     
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    Look into cloaking, i did a small test with it on a big ppc platform and didn't do too bad.
    Definitely need quite a few campaigns running at a profit to be worth it though.
     
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    for me, i think the effort required for the little return makes it not worth it... unless of course you can figure it out and are "lucky" enough to be in the minority who make a living out of it. Thats just my experience anyway... obviously if it was that easy, everyone would be making a killing.... you have to be in front of the crowd, figure out what is going to be big tomorrow.
     
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    there are many case studies available guys and yes why would they brag abt the offers because its all abt keyword competition in PPC.
     
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    There are a lots of PPC courses on the mechanics of setting up campaigns, focus on the 'winning' keywords - bullshit. You need to practice, track with analytics, understand for yourself why people buy or install a piece of crap toolbar. You are right however, the PPC moneymakers aren't going to spill the beans ...
     
  9. Resolution10

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    People who really make good money have spent shitloads of cash to get there.

    You can't expect to throw a couple of ads, set-up a landing page and wait for the money to flow in.

    It's all about testing and finding the right approach to customers. If you don't understand the market you are getting into, better start doing something else. You will need to split test and track tons of different ad copies, LPs, images, keywords etc. So no one really is going to show you how they walked the way and get to the point where they are making a killing in the specific niche. Or if they do, most likely it wouldn't be that profitable anymore unless some twists are applied.

    So pretty much you have to walk that way as well in order to get your answers and be successful in PPC.
     
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  10. clyde

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    E-commerce + Adwords + SEO = WIN.

    That's all I can share.
     
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    You can share a little more :)

    Ok how can you have an ecommerce store without dropshipping? Unless dropshipping is what you do, you need to have storage, inventory, employees, unemployment insurance etc...

    I can see how Adwords + Estore +SEO = profitable. Any site that is sponsored on Google is seen as very legit in the eyes of the searcher. Also people buy tons of crap they don't need all the time haha
     
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    All I know is whenever I ask answers about PPC people don t even really answer. I think its one area you have to figure it out on your own because the people who are banking do not want competition. I do believe that PPC/Mediabuys is the way to make big cash.
     
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    I downloaded it a while ago and half of it was missing and stuff so I never got the full effect. Im going to hopefully be getting into it in the next few weeks. Im gonna use AW straight to my digital product sales page. I made it to their TOS so hopefully I dont get banned.
     
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    Well as you say, drop shipping is an option for an e-commerce store. In my experience drop shipping didn't work well though because the shipping and fees make it too expensive. That of course depends on the product and company you're working with though.

    But that isn't the only option for an e-commerce site. You can also sell digital goods. Remember, ebooks aren't the only things that can be digitally delivered. Software, stock photography, sell mp3 music for local musicians, etc. There's even a lot of services that can be automated and sold through an e-commerce type site. There's a lot of things you can sell digitally, you just have to give it some thought, plan your site and delivery method, and then put it into action.

    You can also do the Adwords + Estore +SEO combination without actually having your own e-commerce site. A lot of e-commerce sites have their own affiliate programs set up and so you can send the traffic to their site instead of your own and make commission for the sales.

    You can also set up your own e-commerce site selling physical goods without having to deal with all the inventory issues you mentioned. If you're the crafty or artsy type or have a family member or friend who is, then you can sell things like handmade jewelry, or other craft type items. Those can be made pretty much on demand and the shipping charges can be kept pretty low.

    I personally like digital goods myself because if your selling something that you have the reproduction rights for, then the e-commerce site can just make the sale and deliver the products on autopilot and other than answering the occassional email and making sure there aren't any glitches, pretty much all you need to worry about is promoting the site and product.
     
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  16. Grandslam

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    Exactly
     
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    Redtide has a wonderful tutorial about PPC here on BHW. You have to do some studying...
     
  18. catherine77

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    Doesn´t clocaking can be a problem with adwords?
     
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    You are right, the main thing is that once you would reveal too much information, especially on a big public forum like this, the competition will increase and that's the reason why everyone is pretty vague about it.
    I foolishly tried AdWords about 3 years, you know how it goes, you get a coupon and you try and then realise that you get a 10 dollar sale out of a 100 dollar coupon and you think "this is crap".
    Then around 2 years ago I wanted to change jobs and I applied to an online marketing agency. There were real clients with big SEA campaigns, you start to get some experience, see some trends. That in combination with actually doing the Google AdWords tests/certifications will help you a lot. That's where I really learned how it worked, because you're working for clients with big budgets (not a couple of 100's a month but 10.000's). It's all about experience and then you can start thinking for yourself how you can sell stuff that will make you a nice living.
    If you don't have money to spend, don't start with it. Creating a new account with a 100 dollar coupon every time will not make you very succesful (age and history of performance of your account is very important for Google). You need to be willing to test, fail and test again.