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Penguin hit me - what should I do with all the Angela sytle Forum Links?

Discussion in 'Link Building' started by UnDerDoG81, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. UnDerDoG81

    UnDerDoG81 Regular Member

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    Hey there,

    yeah, I did a big mistake 1-2 years ago. As many other people here, I also ordered hundrets of "High-PR Angela style Backlinks" and let them point on my money site(s). So after I get hitten by the penguin, what should I do with all these Links? Should I delete them all? Or should I change the anchors?

    Or do you think google does not count these style of links? Or do you think "wait for the next penguin update"? Because thats what they force, that people clean all their links.

    Is there an option to fasten up this progress? Because I have to log in a lot of accounts and manually change/delete these links.

    What have you done with your Angela links?
     
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  2. ritesh

    ritesh Senior Member

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    How many of your Angela Links are indexed?
    Moreover its very difficult for angela links to cause any sort of penalty.They just have been devalued after recent updates.
     
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  3. UnDerDoG81

    UnDerDoG81 Regular Member

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    Hi,

    just checked quickly only 143 links. Scrapebox says 25 of them are indexed. Unfortunately all of the links have the same keyword anchor text in it. My other links are not that worse and the anchor text is good varied. So these angela links must be the reason for my penguin penalty. I dont see any other reason.

    But you say they have been devalued?
     
  4. RightInTwo

    RightInTwo Power Member

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    I think you have a few options. First, you could follow the usual advice that a lot of people have been trying and "build new authoritative links." In the process you can increase your anchor text diversity as well.

    If you are looking to remove them, you can try a service that I had a ton of luck with removing bad links for a client of mine called http://www.linkdelete.com. They send you a report and then suggest which ones they think you should remove. You tell them/yes or no the links you want and then their team gets to work. Worked well for me and then I submitted a reconsideration request with the report as proof that my client was trying to clean things up. Penalty was lifted after that!
     
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  5. UnDerDoG81

    UnDerDoG81 Regular Member

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    Ok I put all my links together now. I have about 200 links and 100 of them are Angela style links. The rest is good mixed up. So maybe chances are high that penguin will forgive me if I remove those Angela links?

    I was on #2 for my keyword. After penguin I was #7 and actually at page 11 of google. I added no new links since penguin so it cant be any penalty. It slowly went down from #7 to page 11
     
  6. erniedawg

    erniedawg Junior Member

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    Are you 100% sure removing the Angela links will help? Why not leave them and create better links?
     
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  7. Windmill

    Windmill Supreme Member

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    Anchor links sound like your problem///not the link types.

    Time to diversify your anchor link keywords. Right now, I like my main KW to be no more than 20%, and to have at least the business/page name or the URL a bigger percentage than the main KW.
     
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    UpMyKilt Registered Member

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    I do not know if Angela type links are now harmful. Indeed, I am sure in some cases they are not harmful at all, and still have value. I pointed out in another thread which seems to have been deleted, that I ranked a site that has no content whatsoever other than a title and description tag, for a name, using only Angela links. And that site is still ranked #1 for that name, even though if you visit the site, you'll get a blank page.

    Admittedly, there was not always a blank page, there was a photo, a poem, and the name, which have now been removed. But it still ranks #1.

    It is not an uncommon name, and there are others with the same name and lots more content, but my site that was ranked using forum profile links still is #1.

    I think maybe your problem may be not in a "mistake" of using these links, but a mistake in not having more diversity of link types. Without more information, that would be my first hunch.
     
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  9. ryannull

    ryannull Senior Member

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    First off, you need to identify the problem before making changes.

    You need to go to ahrefs.com and look at your backlink anchor percentages. Usually, the problem is lack of anchor diversity. If you only have a few anchor text and nothing else, there's your issue. Before Penguin, people were only targeting only a few keywords and didn't diversify.

    So diversify everything, anchors, link types, do follow/nofollow, etc..
     
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  10. UnDerDoG81

    UnDerDoG81 Regular Member

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    Thanks for all the replies.

    As I said, my other 100 links from different pages have a good diversity in their anchor text. The only problem are those other 100 Angela links because they all have the same anchortext. That was what I was trying to say. So, the question is, should I delete all the Angela links or just change the anchors?
     
  11. gorang

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    I think you need to step back and think about the situation before taking any action, because you're assuming too much.

    Angela style backlinks are not a mistake, i don't know where you heard this.

    Penguin, as far as we know, doesn't penalise "poor quality" or certain types of links. It analyses your backlink profile, specifically anchor text and if it does not look natural then your site will be devalued. All done by an algorithm.

    So first we need to determine why your site tanked. How do you know you were hit by Penguin? What date did you start losing rankings? Penguin 1.0 was run on the 24th of April 2012, did your rankings drop between 23rd-25th of April?

    As a general rule, keep building your links. If you stop building links when you get penalised Google will react to you even more harshly.

    Go to Majestic-SEO website, do a full report on your backlinks profile and find out what your anchor text ratio is like.
     
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    gorang Elite Member

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    I believe the site you cited is mainly for the Blog Network penalties. I'm sure it would not help the OP unless he/she is actually facing the blog network penalty.
     
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  13. RightInTwo

    RightInTwo Power Member

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    Yes, that could be it for sure. Without seeing his backlink profile its tough for me to know, was just giving suggestions for all scenarios. OP, did you sign up for a popular blog network?
     
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  14. UnDerDoG81

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    As I said, all (over) 100 Angela links have the same anchor text. I dont say Angela links are bad. I say my anchor texts from these Angela links look unnatural. That was the main question. Should I delete them or change the anchors.

    I started losing rankings on April 24th and know it is because of the penguion.

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    Actually I´m getting ~60 visitors a day and ~30 of them come from wikipedia.

    I ordered about 20 links from an forum member. I think it was a blog network. But the sites does not exist anymore. So I dont think that is the problem.

     
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  15. gorang

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    If you have the login details then just leave the title box blank so the raw url is displayed instead. Personally i wouldn't bother with 100 links. Just dilute your backlink profile or get someone else to make the changes.

    I had some forum sig links which were spread over thousands of posts in some forums. i simply removed the anchor text for my Penguin hit site.

    About my question about it being a Penguin penalty, It was a question worth asking since a lot of members post threads assuming it is Penguin when they have a different penalty.
     
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  16. BuildMoreLinks

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    what does you link profile looks like? Blog comments, Profiles links, SB links and blog networks, paid links ? Also how is your anchor text distribution?
     
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    Change all created profile links to raw url's and create backlinks for your brand name as well to diversify the anchors.
     
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  18. gregmde7

    gregmde7 Newbie

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    Some people will tell you to delete them and that's craziness. Work on diluting your anchor text, and most likely your problem will be solved.

    If it's still not, go get relevant links.
     
  19. n2zen

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    You didn't get a Penguin penalty for Angela (or Paul) style backlinks. You would have gotten it for blog network posts.

    Did you get a webmaster tools notice about April 14 AND did your rankings drop about April 28? If so, then you got a blog network penalty. If not, then you got the rug pulled out from under you (crappy links got devalued and de-indexed and no longer prop you up).
     
  20. gorang

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    Blog networks get deindexed and unnatural link building messages appear in webmasters tools by a manul rater. Penguin is algorithmic. Penguin happened at the same time but they are different things.