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Penguin 2.1 - Time to give G a taste of its own medecine (my recovery strategy)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by GiorgioB, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. GiorgioB

    GiorgioB Supreme Member

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    Well my fellow search engine manipulators, I'm afraid I have suffered quite a bit from this latest update. One of the sites which got slapped was a money site.. and when I say money site, I mean a big money site. Although its dancing and the update is apparently not finished, I cannot just sit back and do nothing.

    So here is my plan, I'd like to run it past you guys here and get some feedback:

    1. Consolidate current position

    Basically its still got rankings on page 2, 3, etc.. so its not all bad. We still get traffic for it, we dropped about 30% though and mostly organic traffic, which is the one which brings in the most money. Still, we have a brand name, social network traffic, referrals, etc. So I'm thinking just mostly social signals for this one, but nothing violent, and cross my fingers for a recovery (no sign yet.. just 1 keyword bouced up slightly out of 12 for now). To be honest I hadn't been doing much to this one except social signals for the past 3-4-5 weeks and it seemed to be doing fine, drifting between #10 and #6 for my main keyword. For this keyword.. we're now not even in the top 100. Boo-fcking-hoo.

    2. Give G what its asking for

    Well, from what I can see from my other websites... the only pattern is that the sites which have not been penalised are the ones for which I have not done any SEO for a long time. As in a little bit when I created them, but nothing regular.. I have 2, and they each have like 100 links or so, not even good quality. One of them has great unique content. The other just has mostly youtube clips and 2-3 liner sentences underneath (kind of a news website). Both have held their rankings very well, which is the good part. Neither make me enough money to pay for beer at the weekends, which is the part that sucks balls.

    Soooo I'm going to try and make a virgin-like white hat clone of my website, and make spankingly beautiful onpage. No dup content/descriptions, H tags perfect, keyword density low, image alts, etc etc etc.. the usual stuff. I'm thinking that maybe in 2-3 years, Google will decide to rank it. Actually, I'm thinking testing mostly and making a point (point being that following G's guidelines will not rank anything).

    I will not build a single link to this site. I will maybe just make a Facebook/Twitter page, and ask all my friends to like it, but nothing paid, nothing blackhat. Just to see.


    3. On a separate note, violate G

    Separately, I plan to make another website which will be 100% blackhat. I want to try all the dirty tricks on this one, and get it to rank ASAP on the front page of my niche which shouldn't be very difficult as it is not so competitive. I plan to build thousands of links and almost no content, just heaps of links. I don't care if the site is slapped after 2 weeks, because if I'm on page 1, it will still be very profitable to just keep churning and burning sites like this, so long as I have a website on first page.


    Now it goes without saying that I will be hosting these 2 new websites on separate, new and fresh hosting accounts. Ditto for the domain names.
    I just have 1 small doubt, there shouldn't be any footprint between these 3 sites except one which seems pretty obvious but should fly under the radar. The product images.. they will be the same for all 3 sites.. (can't really do anything about that). But spiders can't read images, right? So is there any chance there will be a footprint which can be detected except of course if there is a manual review?

    And what do you guys think.. do you think that this white site is just a waste of time? And maybe the 3rd one will also be a fucking waste of time too.. maybe it will never rank.. I think it is, but well.. I still wanna try just to do the experiment. What I can't do right now is "not panic and wait to see if things get better" (although of course this is what will be done on the main initial site). If all fails, then I think I will just get into gun-trafficking or something easier than SEO like that.

    In the meantime I'm off to pick up a fresh domain for my white site and an expired one for the dirty site.
     
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  2. varitech

    varitech Junior Member

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    Hello,

    To start with please do not make a clone version of a white hat site yet. it is too early to do such a committed action. I am going up and down +40 positions the last 5 days in 2 MNS sites. Just sit tight and give it 1-2 more weeks to see the average new SERP your site gets and act accordingly. The more data you get the better decisions you can make.

    In regards to "waste your time" no I dont think it is. I lost a 10 year old site because the retard of the hosting company didnt pay his bills and didnt bother notifying me and the site is now hijacked with anchor texts all over the place. I contacted big G and apparently I cant even get my own content back. Talking about 1000s+ pages. MY content which if I use I might be penalised for plagiarising my own self....go figure. Did I make a new site similar to the old one? yes I did!. Is it ranking higher than the 10year+ one. Yes it does? Why? Because I loved what I was writing about (Big music underground magazine) so the passion and dedication I put to the new one is nowhere near the old. Yes I am not getting the rankings I used to but I got all my old visitors to the new one so I dont care much as I make the money I used to.

    In regards to point 2, I dont think that you are not penalised because you didnt do any SEO rather because you dont have any spammy links pointing to the sites, though it is too early to tell we can only assume at this stage.

    In regards to point 3, you said it yourself. Try it out and find out if it is a waste of time or not. Whenever I have a question I come to this forum and look for it. Some times I get mixed answers which is the exact moment I decide to do both and find out myself.

    Good luck mate
     
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  3. nanavlad

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    Will be interesting to hear how your experiment goes
    though I would postpone it for a week or so, till things settle down
     
  4. technetium

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    Absolutely untrue. Big G is actually very good at reading images. To see what I mean:

    Open 2 tabs in your browser.

    In the first tab, open a site with some images that will be duplicated around on the web. Any post from a slightly popular blog that's a few days old will do fine.

    In the second tab, open goog images.

    Go to the first tab. Drag your image to the tab bar so goog images comes up, don't let go of your mouse button yet.
    Keep dragging the image right into the middle where you would normally type in what you want to search for.

    You'll end up on a page like this:
    https://www.google.com/search?&tbm=...3YDYBw&ved=0CCgQ2A4oAQ&biw=1112&bih=910&dpr=1
     
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  5. formosa

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    yeah ... technetium is right ..

    but on the other hand you should definitely try the 3 different methods ... i think social signals is getting more value
     
  6. fung1990

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    following, one of my client's site got hit. sadface
     
  7. topdown

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    I'm doing something similar except that I'm building different backlinks for both websites. For some of my clients I have 2 domains ranked on the 1st page (main branded domain & keyword domain) but it depends on the competition.

    Your approach got me motivated to create few additional websites and blast the hell out of them :)

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    On the image part try to modify hue, brightness, dpi or add text banners
     
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    Just because 2 websites have a couple of same images, I would not assume it to be a valid enough reason to believe they are a part of same network.
     
  9. GiorgioB

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    You're completely right, thanks for pointing that out. What I was thinking was more... if I have the same images on these 3 sites, do you guys think that this could serve as a footprint?


    I believe my competitors' product images are similar enough enough to mine for spiders to be unable to dissociate them, because i have tested your ... well test.. and it pulls lots of images different to mine. However a manual review will definitely see they are the same...


    @ others - thanks for the input. I'd love to make this a journey thread, but i will not lie to you or myself, its going to be a bit tight in terms of time and energy (i love BHW but I do have a life aside from my work)
     
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  10. Bloghat

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    To do something about the dupe images you could either batch process each set with something like "faststone image viewer", e.g. add watermark or signature sentence on the bottom.
    Or if it's dynamic, use server-hosted libraries like pil (python) imagemagick etc, to do it on the fly.
     
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    I am keen to see the results
     
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    Emmm, I believe the best solution is the mix of both

    I would take good optimized content from white hat approach and mix it with good quality backlinks from blackhat approach. I don't think you can have long term and success without both of them

    However, I have seen people who are specialized in making money from content only by targeting LTK and Creating dozens of content. I have also seen people who ranked their site by spamming only :)

    It's about you and what you are good at. Is content and on site optimization your thing. Do you have big budget to buy hundreds of articles ? or Are you good with the tools and can create good (doesn't get caught) backlinks campaign!

    I find a mix of both is the easiest approach that 90% of successful IMer's follow :).
     
  13. jaselc

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    I'm currently doing the same kind of thing with one of my old affiliate sites, it lost rankings and dropped out of the top 100, so I analysed my competitors and quickly got it back on page 4, but it was stuck there no matter what I did. So I have created a new site and I'm going to keep it clean and see what happens. I'll build a load more links to the original site to see if that does anything. It will be interesting to see if my new site ranks because my competitors on page 1 have very few back links if any! You can see the full case study here.

    looking forward to the results!