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PBN's Still Worth Building Them?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by NovaflareFX, Sep 2, 2016.

  1. NovaflareFX

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    Hey Guys,

    I've been working on various other projects for quite some time and over the years i've spent a lot here on BHW for a variety of services. But i'm starting to come back to the thought of making my own PBN again.

    I can build websites and I can make content of my own. The question is, is is still worthwhile? Reading a lot recently about PBN's not being as effective/ being de-indexed faster than usual.

    Whilst on the topic:
    1) Any decent PBN hosting services still out there or should I find a variety of my own shared hosting packages?
    2) DomCop still the best place to find domain names?
     
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    PBNs Will always be useful if you build it right. If you want it to survive you can't put together some default theme with shit content.

    As for scraping the fastest way is to scrape by yourself with scrapebox / some other scraper. DomCop is decent but isn't as fast.
     
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    A) Cheapo PBN hosts are for noobs.

    B) Mix expired, dropped, and brand new domains if you're building a large network.

    C) Stop only using Wordpress templates and thinking Google doesn't notice.

    -ThopHayt
     
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  4. onlineonly

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    Almost 16,000,000 websites use WordPress so I don't think anyone should worry about that.
     
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    If you have enought time to build them right then it's totally worth it. I spent around 30 days to make a 20 Blogs PBN. But I am proud of it and I am sure it will help a lot my customers rankings :D So, if you paln to do a good job and have enought time and $$ then it's worth. If you want I can send you a sample of my PBN (one excluded, only for sample purposes) to see what I am taling about.
     
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    I would look into building your own or using some of the pbn services here in marketplace... pbn is still valid, I would imagine most loose there strength by improper set up and sloppy implementation.. just honor the 3 S's, be safe, secure, and sexy (original content is very sexy). There are other methods of course, but pbn is still alive and well as long as it is still alive and well. Cheers
     
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    Domcop was never best source of domains? By metrics they seem good, but like every domain is spammed.

    PBNs will always work, depending on how you build them.
    You can build them for ROI and don't care about manual review, or be like big corporations and build PBNs that are actually real site (they don't look like real sites, they ARE real sites).
     
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    16 million out of the 664 million active sites online sites use WP... but 99% of PBNs I've seen use Wordpress. Google isn't that dumb. How many of those 16 million do you think are PBNs? A lot I'd guess. So if a site is A) wordpress and B) shows any other signs of a footprint then I'd say it is a safe bet for Google it is indeed a PBN.

    -ThopHayt
     
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    Would you mine sharing how much content you add per site? How often? Quality? Any SEO on those PBN blogs? If so, what and how much?

    I know I'm asking a lot... :/
     
  10. NovaflareFX

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    That would be great, yes please :D Thanks a lot for all your replies guys, seems i'm a little behind! I only intend to take my time and make quality websites just to clarify.
     
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    trying to start my journey also doing PBN's soon
    I know it will be large effort and may not reap rewards quickly but I know a PBN can still be useful

    definitely going to try the domain thing
    anybody have reccomendations for PBN hosts?
     
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    Of course PBN still work if you built it right.
    For hosting, try SiteGround or Hostwinds but it's important to hosts your websites with multiple providers.
     
  13. NovaflareFX

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    Question: How should I buy the domains? Two or three domains per different registrars under fake Whois?

    I imagine using two or three GoDaddy accounts to register 100 domains and host them in different places would be a terrible idea.
    This being because the Who-is (even if private) would be the same.
     
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    Personally, I use fake info for each and every one. Why do two or three per name when I don't have it. It is a pain in the ass, but I feel safer.

    -ThopHayt
     
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    Definitely you should use different hosting. Also, use different names and addresses for the domains. Usually, on most websites, u can use any name and address u want to. No one has ever asked me to prove the address and name :) U can also use whois guard, but I would say better not use whois guard for all the domains.
     
  16. NovaflareFX

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    So I just found myself five really sweet domains, 3 x .com, 1 x .org and 1 x .co.uk.
    The bill for two years registration (through GoDaddy) is £208, this is before hosting.

    Note: All domains have Whois protection.

    Sweet jesus this is a bit more expensive that I remember.
     
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    Add expired web 2.0s with good metrics in your PBN, it really works good.
     
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    Are these auction domains? if not register them elsewhere (godaddy is awfu, literally anywhere is better ie namecheap).
    Also just register them for a year instead just incase they don't index or have penalties.
    Don't worry about just using wordpress , there are plugins that can hide the fact you are using wordpress and just create static html looking sites.
     
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    Question: I'm on track to building a network of 100 sites, properly, over time. Ideally over the next three months.
    I'm just wondering how many on average ranking a site (say for example in a medium competition environment) would take?

    I ask because i've bought many services on BHW before, such as '100 posts for $300' and didn't see much improvement tbh.
    Just wondering if doing 100 myself would be any different.
     
  20. jimbobo2779

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    I'm sure the responses from others have convinced you that indeed PBNs are still very worthwhile

    I think a lot of the reason you didn't see much boost from those services selling X links on their own PBN is that those sites will have a lot of outbound links, not necessarily on the pages containing your links but on the sites themselves. The lack of relevancy is also a big factor as to why you may not see as big an improvement as you may think. I cannot say that I have used a large number of these services but the ones that I have seen have not been great.

    These days if I am buying links it is generally web2.0 accounts with content on or outreach links to get some really targeted links from actually relevant sites. Buying outreach links is by no means hassle free these days though as I have seen sellers offering "outreach" links that were simply PBN links that had obvious footprints to them.

    If you are building a PBN for yourself you can make the site as content specific as possible and you know that the site will not be outwardly linking to thousands of junk sites, this is something you will not have with links that you pay a few dollars for each.

    If you are looking to register a bunch of domains you should spread them out over a few different registrars so as to not have that as a footprint, also GoDaddy is not the cheapest when you are using private whois.