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PBNassault/2.1: is this the name of new google update to target PBNs?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by zx123, Feb 7, 2017.

  1. zx123

    zx123 Senior Member

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    I have installed a custom server side script on my PBNs. It check user-agents and IPs of requests. But it is very particular, infact some user-agents have a special "sub user-agent" not visible in normal view every time. This script show this too. Today I notice that some domains were de-indexed. So I checked logs of this script and I noted a strange thing few days ago. Under a normal "Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 6.0.1 ...etc" there was a special header "sub user-agent" named "PBNassault/2.1"!
    Nothing special, there are a lot of bots that surf the net... but his ip was under 66.102.8.* network. So is this an official google war start?
    PS: I dont know how this script works, it was created from a coder a year ago, and always done a good work. So please not ask me about the script.
     
  2. yugejackpots

    yugejackpots BANNED BANNED

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    I highly doubt Google would name a user agent "PBNassault". Could it be that's the name your coder gave your script, and it's scanning your domains? I have no idea what your script is doing as your description was quite vague, but PBNassault sounds like something a coder would name, not Google. Often times coders will also send user agents with normal headers to disguise them as being human, but Google has no reason to do this...
     
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    laur.laurix Power Member

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    I think it's a seo tool/pbn crawler. There are tons of custom tools out there.
     
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    yeah a lot of bots are visiting my pbns. I also doubt that PBNassault is from google ;)
     
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    Maybe it is or not who knows, or a custom built bot to spot any PBN to try to steal others niche and report threat, anyway, interesting!
     
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    That's warning sign if you can confirm that user-agent is from the Google ip.
     
  7. Nargil

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    Yeh, I am sure Google would call their agent "PBNassault"... where is that smiley with rolling eyes?
     
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  8. zx123

    zx123 Senior Member

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    At first look I was betting every thing on a random bot from some network etc.... but the strange thing is the ip used ... It is a google ip and I dubt there are proxy like this
     
  9. tb303

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    What is this "sub user-agent" you talk of? There is the user agent request header, do you mean its a sub string in that? Or do you mean its a more custom header being sent?

    Do you feel like PMing your script to me for a closer look? As above I doubt google are going to be using PBNassault in there when crawling or scanning sites maybe its a default value in your script that doesnt get updated when it runs for some reason.
     
  10. zx123

    zx123 Senior Member

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    I dont know where is it. It was coded from an external sys admin, but it is nothing of special. It just check some server log (my pbn use a dedicated server). IT IS NOT A DEFAULT VALUE! not show in other "sub useragent" and after that pbn was totallty deindexed!
     
  11. yugejackpots

    yugejackpots BANNED BANNED

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    Why don't you paste the log here so we can see it? It makes zero sense why Google would me a bot that, they could just name it "gbotP" and no one would know what it meant. Paste the log here so we can take a closer look.
     
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    Kralj187 Senior Member

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    Did you seriously believed that the concept of PBN would work forever...
    Assimilation is the keyword
     
  13. Nargil

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    I would have expected a bit more from a senior member.

    And yes, concept of PRIVATE BNs works perfectly fine. What doesn't work completely fine are shitty public networks.
     
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    Kralj187 Senior Member

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    I did not say that PBN does not work anymore, all I said was "That it can't work forever."
    Stop limiting yourself
     
  15. Nargil

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    I am apparently missing "something", but those are two different sentences with two different meanings.

    And yes, it can very well work forever and until backlinks will be the main factor of Google algorithm, they will work perfectly fine if you know what you are doing.

    So instead of acting like a super smart future predicting badass, while looking like someone who doesn't apparently get enough attention in real life, just don't post if you don't have anything vlauable to add. It's not that hard.

    “Imagine the silence if people said only what they know" - K. Capek
     
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    "it can very well work forever" - you are applying concepts of perfection to a mere blackhat tool (Yes PBN is just one of many tools...). Perfection itself is nothing more than an illusion.

    Google can see "everything", just because they didn't want to react to it in the past doesn't mean they won't in the future. Does this mean a good "real PBN" won't work tomorrow or for the next 1,2,3 years? No, and that's not what I'm implying. I couldn't make such statements because I don't have the needed data from Google itself (or what's their plans for the future in general).

    Isn't this the same discussion as with the Web 2.0 concept? Everybody was screaming it won't work forever and google can see through it so easily, yet Google until this day didn't start banning/punishing most websites for using Web 2.0 - Even though they could easily identify it...

    So again, just because they don't have any intention to react to something, doesn't automatically imply they couldn't...
     
  17. Nargil

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    I think there's an illusion in play, and that's the illusion of Google being omnipotent. They don't see crap. If they saw everything, we would all be done with SEO already and it wouldn't take much effort if they had the data in the first place. But they don't. They have been fighting PBNs for years now basically and they are now as popular as ever. All they can do, is to catch the low hanging fruit full of footprints and if everything is done perfectly, then there's no chance that Google can, even in future, determine which site serves as a PBN and which does not. The collateral damage would be brutal and a huge percentage of regular sites would be caught in the filter as well.

    So as long as backlinks will be primary factor for off site SEO, the PBNs, in one way or the other, will never die out. If yes, then the SEO would already be changed beyond recognition. PBNs are a concept that has been here for pretty much 10 years and so far, they haven't done fuck all about it really. So rather than "They would if they wanted to", it's more like "They would if they could."
     
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