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PBN pros and cons?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Regileo, Mar 5, 2017.

  1. Regileo

    Regileo Registered Member

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    Some link building sellers in the marketplace are pro that (the pbn sellers) and some against it - the ones that sell other backlinks, lol.

    What do you guys think? that are the pros and cons of buying PBN articles/backlinks?
    And if I'll go with that, what are the stuff I need to check before, other than samples of articles to make sure they're legit.

    Also something that I can't understand, none of them provides you with article links at the end of the order "to protect their network", but as the domain owner I should be able to find these links in google webmaster tools, and also by google searching the content of the article they send me in the screenshot, no?

    My purpose is to rank better my local business website (currently don't have google map listing, so I'm not focusing on citations yet).


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  2. Pinktoe

    Pinktoe Regular Member

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    They work. But there are different kinds of pbns with varying degree of effectiveness and safety. No public network is truly safe but some are safer than others.

    Since you're running an actual business, I'd recommend building your own. Don't outsource the entire process, you will end up with very weak domains unless you buy premium domains from @Nargil or find another source

    But if you do want to go with a public network, I'd recommend going with the ones that has permanent home page posts, and are niche specific.

    Permanent home page posts is important to me because it implies that the pbn won't get spammed to hell. I think these are much less likely to get de-indexed than the spammed ones linking out to only thin affiliate sites, payday loan sites etc

    There are three sellers that I know that does this. They are not cheap, but you get what you pay for. The sellers are @reallife @bluematter @The Profit Bird
     
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    Honestly to sum this up
    Pro - it one of the best methods around atm for link juice
    If done correctly, you will benefit very much, much more than other SEO methods web2.0, guest posting, etc

    Con - Unless, it's your own PBN, you are just like buying SEO from anywhere else, putting your fate on other people's hands, so it MAY or MAY NOT by secure and safe.
    A real service actually cost money, not talking about the shitty $10 PBN packages.
     
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    Just wondering what would you pay for a 20 TF, 20 CF PBN with decent look? Domain (.com/.org/.net) and 12 months hosting included. All information spoofed.
     
  5. Pinktoe

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    How many referring domains and their quality? Cf is useless and tf is just a filter metric
     
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    Build one of your own.
    Though hard, but I think this the only effective way to SEO success now
     
  8. Pinktoe

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    I can't make a blanket statement, but unless some of those links are good, I wouldn't pay more than $60 for the entire setup

    You could get a similar domain from nargil for $5-20 I think. Then you'd grab one year hosting with free registration (godaddy, 1and1, I think there are others running a similar promo), that's $12, then you could get everything else done for $20
     
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    Always better off to invest in your own network. Not having full control over the sites results in uncertainty when it comes to how long your posts will stay live! A big one too, many sellers have insane amounts of OBL which dilutes the link juice & provide little to no results.
     
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    If its generic affiliate web, you can go for pbn available in marketplace. If its your real business, build your own. if you dont have budget and still want to buy, use buffer site to pass the link so that you can have a control if it impact negatively
     
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    Thanks for the mention @Pinktoe. Appreciate the fact that at least some know what power contextually placed permanent homepage links give and when relevancy is bundled with authority, results are mostly good. On the other hand when posts roll down to inner pages you can imagine yourself when someone says homepage OBL or that posts will stay on homepage for a couple days and would roll in etc what they mean and till what limit a domain can give out power. The posts stay on homepage for a couple days and then roll in means that though you are being shown homepage OBL is very less, but think about the total outbound links from whole domain(not just homepage). On the other hand when total OBL of whole domain is just 20, it makes a lot of difference. It means that only 20 posts will be there on homepage and not any other inner page. Once this limit is reached, new domain will be used.
    Buyers should think for themselves what they can expect at the cost they want to pay. You want to earn $50 a day from a site and still don't have mindset of little investment. Well that might lead to disappointment.


    TL;DR - You get what you pay for. Period!
     
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    Pros - They rank and you bank! I think enough has been said.

    Well, this has been in discussion so many times and by so many people. At one time I personally felt like opening a whole thread and telling those idiots( sorry if it was offensive to you) that if you really think a seller investing thousands of dollars in a PBN doesn't know about search console/webmaster you need to think again. We know that links can be seen in search console.!

    Imagine this : I am a niche relevant PBN links seller. I get one order in niche "A" and after some days I get another order from your competitor in same niche "A". Now do you guarantee what ethics he has and after finding his own competition he won't spam fuck your site? Once this happens, who is to be blamed? The seller.Seller sold shit so we are not getting rankings and instead we are experiencing downfall in rankings.
    Same might happen if sellers don't block crawlers. And who is to be blamed if your competition finds the network easily and just to take down your single site, whole network gets spam fucked and so many other clients also suffer! A seller doesn't has the leverage to ask for penalties he suffers.
    Not all play fair. Its for your safety, my friend :)
    I wish I could tell this to many out there asking the same question as you.
     
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    As states, CF is useless.

    This has 11 referring domains, not 10. For TF20 RD11, even RD15, you would pay $20, depending on how many you would take.

    Others have said the rest.
     
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    Sorry, I'm still missing the bottom line. You said "links can be seen in search console", so how is not giving a customer a full link report after the order is protecting him from getting spammed by his competition? how is the competition going to get their hands on the private report you provided the customer?
    Also, the thing with blocking crawlers, you're talking about SEO-app crawlers, not Google, so how is it stops me from googling exact phrases from the screenshot you provided to find the articles by myself after they get crawled by google?

    I'm still having hard time understanding how not reporting the links protects me or you, and prevents me from eventually knowing the links anyway...
    Thank you for your time and your effort in providing the information! It's highly appreciated!
     
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    Regileo Registered Member

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    I'm a total noob in this subject so I'm sorry for that ELI5 request, but, what's defining a "Network"? how is buying few domains and start writing articles about my niche makes it a "private network" and not just blogs I have to eventually backlink to my site (like people sit and build all they long in 2009)?

    Why would google give any reputation to my blog? it probably needs to gain some reputation by itself, before this backlinks makes an impact on my business site, no?
    I would assume that these PBN owners investing in building backlinks to their blogs in order to promote them, and as many relevant articles they have, the site looks more legit. in this $5 domain +$12 mosting +$20 anything else calculating, we will need to put hundreds of dollars on a decent amount of good articles.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, those just some questions popped to my mind when I'm trying to understand this topic.


    Many thanks!
     
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    Do not buy new domains, that too slow for your business, buy some expiring domains with decent PA/DA and already having many backlinks, I have bought very very good domains with more then 10 years of history and PR 4 or 5 with 300$, and many other qualified domains with about just $50 ~ $100, all have long history, qualified backlinks and some of them even already have great amount of original contents. This is the shortcut to the success of PBN building
     
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    PR and DA. The best metrics you can possibly hope for! DA means nothing and public PR doesn't even exist. :) So I presume you bought these year or two ago. Well prices of such domains these days are 300% higher. Just sayin'

    Don't even bother going purely after referring domains OP without checking the domain veeeery carefully.