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PBN Network get hit, does the target site/money site get hit aswell?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by mayhen, Mar 2, 2017.

  1. mayhen

    mayhen Newbie

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    Let's say the network gets hit, the money site looses its link power but besides that there is no further penalization for the money site correct?
     
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  3. firstnamelastname

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    This is an excellent question. I was thinking about this last night. I do have all my domains ready but I am just so aftaid of linking because if the PBN gets found out, what happens to my money site? :(

    I did have about 5 domains of a 20-domain PBN deindexed 2 years ago and nothing happened to my money site, it lost its ranking because of course it lost those backlinks, but that was it. But I am still sooo afraid. what if they deindex my money site? :(
     
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    I guess it depends whether it is a brand or a thin affiliate site.
     
  5. Shree

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    The money site may not always get hit.

    Many folks with PBNs link to their competition as well - so that if they get taken down, they will take their competitors with them.

    But if the links get devalued, rankings might be affected.
     
  6. mayhen

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    Could you elaborate on that?
     
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    But how can the money site be hit besides the ranks going back to where they were before adding the pbn links?
     
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    I guess he means that the strength and authority of the sites play a role. If a 50 pbn network got found and links out to a 6 month old affiliate site with 10k words and 70RD total and to a huge magazine, having 100s of posts and maybe even thousands of RD, the affiliate site will probably get penalized, but the other site? I doubt so.
     
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    what do you mean bro? you were trying to cheat google by usng artificial backlinks. why would it not get hit?
     
  10. mayhen

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    Totally reasonable to hit the pbns but also the money site that is just linked to? Seems a bit over the top.
     
  11. firstnamelastname

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    your original question has no answer, it may or may not get hit, depending on whether the google reviewer was on her period that day.
     
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    It totally depends on hosting, IP address and other footprints factors which are possibly related to PBN and money site.In general, your money site will not get a hit. If you are getting links with that PBN network only and the whole network got deindexed at the same time, you will get the immediate effect on ranking immediately.
     
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    From my experienec, in most cases, your money site will get hit as well. Especially if you have a small backlink profile where majority of the links is from the PBN that got hit. The smaller this ratio, the lesser chance you will get slapped, but yeh, good chance it will happen.
     
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    Money site may get hit if you are not intelligent enough and expose all the PBN footprints- same hosting, IP, themes etc. If the backlink profiles and the associated metadata belong to the same bucket, say goodbye to your money site.
     
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    If the PBN gets hit by an algo then no the money sites aren't hit. If the algo did hit the money sites a lot of people would have their money sites hit from buying links in the marketplace.

    Now if you get a manual review then the money site will be hit.
     
  16. firstnamelastname

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    not true. I got a manual review (I came to this conclusion because 5 of my PBN domains were completely deindexed - I dont believe the algorithm deindexes sites) but my money site was not penalized. of course, my money site lost ranking because those PBN domains were no longer powering it. but it did not get penalized, as in go to page 12 and never recover.
     
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    You guys are telling me you think Google is dumb enough to uncover a site's ENTIRE PBN NETWORK and somehow can't figure out it who was benefiting from it? Of course they can and most of the time (hell, I'm inclined to almost go as far as to say damn near all of the time) if your entire PBN gets hit then your money site will get hit. Depending on the size of the network it may or may not result in a manual penalty... but you are almost definitely going to get Google slapped to the point where you may as well have got a manual penelty. To think Google lets the damage stop right at the PBN is ludicrous.

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    What makes you think you got a manual review? Because only 5 sites were hit and not the whole network? That makes it seem more like an algo penalty.

    Trust me if you get a manual review they will track down the rest of the network and hit your money site without a doubt.

    With the algo they wont hit the money sites because they could potentially be penalizing completely legit sites.
     
  19. firstnamelastname

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    I already explained how I came to this conclusion.

    Manual reviewers are not going to sit around and uncover your entire PBN.
    It's some idiot sitting in a cubicle and his job is to determine "is this a real site or is this a crappy site used for linking purposes?"

    If he determines it's real, he leaves it alone. if he determines it's a PBN, he deindexes it. The idiot is not going to investigate you. he deindexes that one site and moves on.
     
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  20. askary

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    agree with you. I checked my banned pbns via wmt, and there was pure spam penalty.
    So your money site may be triggered for manual review only if a high amount of your pbns get deindexed at the same time