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[PBN] Money sites penalized, PBN up and running?!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by schnucki, May 4, 2015.

  1. schnucki

    schnucki Newbie

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    Hi. Some of my money sites were hit with a manual penalty two weeks ago. However Big G didn't penalize or deindex the PBN properties.

    I got some pretty good domains in there and could use that PBN for new projects. Would you recommend to still use those PBN sites for other projects?
    If you got any experiences on this please share. Appreciate it!
     
  2. lilmasta

    lilmasta Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    if you are completely sure that PBN is not penalized, i would suggest removing all the post that were link to domain(penalized money sites) and then only use them to rank other sites. But on the other hand it is possible that the new site may get penalize or not see any serp movement. what was the manual penalty about ? spammy links ,doorway pages, or shitty content? that can give a proper idea about the PBN.
     
  3. spappa

    spappa Regular Member

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    Are you positive it wasn't the PBN that was the issue? What other link building did you do? Did you use spun or copied content on your money site?
     
  4. schnucki

    schnucki Newbie

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    Thanks for the quick reply.

    Exactly what I'm thinking. I removed all the posts already and will use the PBN's only for new projects that aren't associated with the penalized sites. I'm waiting for some more people to respond, but I think it will come down to testing this myself.

    Penalty: After the money sites got hit I added one site into GWT to see if it was triggered by the algorithm or manually. After and hour or so I got a message that a manual action was made due to link manipulation. So they def. knew about the PBN. That's why I find it strange that they didn't deindex the whole thing. They "only" hit all the money sites that were associated with the PBN.
     
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  5. schnucki

    schnucki Newbie

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    Well I don't have any facts other than the "link manipulation" penalty from GWT.

    - Content: I only used unique content with images, properly formatted, heavily diversified anchors.
    - Links: 90% PBN's, 10% links from forum posts, 1-2 web catalogues... nothing spammy or automated.
     
  6. diesel1

    diesel1 Senior Member

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    If they know about the PBN then there's a very good chance that they will hit new projects as well
     
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  7. hanssolo

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    While they might know about the PBN, it doesn't mean they'll hit it for sure. It's a 50/50 game. If the domains are good, pick the best and try doing something with them.
     
  8. spappa

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    I know it sucks but it could be a good learning experience to find out where g is at so we don't make the same mistakes going forward.

    How many links per PBN did you use to your money site?
    How many money sites were hit?
    Did you have say pbnsite1.com link to 3 of your money sites and have pbnsite2.com link to the same 3 money sites?
    How many PBN's did you actually have?
     
  9. Aatrox

    Aatrox Supreme Member

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    I don't have experience so I can't really tell, but if I were you I would either make a blog on WP/blogger/tumblr and try to rank it with that PBN to see if that has effect or just buy a domain, pick a niche and see what happens. I would try it like that.
     
  10. Kralj187

    Kralj187 Senior Member

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    You have the option to ask Google trough your GWT directly with the manual penalty remove request to give you some samples of those "bad" links. Usually they will add three, then you might know more. They did send me the examples within few days...
     
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  11. Lannister10

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    Yeah! Go with this advice. You won't disappoint anymore.

     
  12. lilmasta

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    Sometime they leave the sheep out to catch the wolf so its better to not use this sheep i mean PBN for new projects
     
  13. hanssolo

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    I've worked with manual penalties before, and Google usually gives 3-4 examples max. However, this doesn't mean they are deindexing those urls or penalizing them.

    I had good domains mentioned as "bad" links by Google, so I decided to do a bit of testing. I picked the best PR/BL/DA domain and slammed it with PBN links. Guess what? It ranked top 20 within 2 weeks. After getting into the top 10, it settled at ~#7 and stayed there for about 6 months.
     
  14. Kralj187

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    Well in my case it was a anchor text issues (the didn't mention it but it was obvious...). So yes indeed all links they gave me as examples were fine, but the anchor text was the issue. However if it's not the anchor text then you will have to remove them in order to revoke the manual action.

     
  15. bronxbombers

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    I liked Rankage's idea of pointing those PBN links at other non-essential properties to test them out and see if any further havok ensues before sending them to new money sites. I see lots of testing in your future to see if you can salvage these. More importantly, I'd take a hard look at your PBN. Where were the problem areas? What triggered the penalty? Use this as an important learning experience to build a more robust network going forward.
     
  16. Lares

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    Start a service on BHW with those domains and sell PBN links. Nobody will know that they might be penalized. Unless they find this thread 1st :D
     
  17. Kralj187

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    Isn't every PBN service on BHW already penalized? Why would you sell it otherwise...