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pbn: is using the same backorder service a footprint?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by aussiejack, Jan 18, 2015.

  1. aussiejack

    aussiejack Regular Member

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    I am about to upscale my pbn efforts as I have achieved some good success with my first pbns.

    Currently I am buying expired domains from a domain backorder service. You guys probably know how they work: They register a domain the second it gets free from the old registrar and sell it to you then.

    The important point here is that the backorder service is a registrar himself. That means if I buy all my domains from the same service then all these domains have the same registrar in their domain history. Usually it is a very small registrar (at least for the service that I use). So it seems a huge footprint if I have 50 pbns which all had xxx-corporation as registrar at some point.

    Of course I try to transfer the domain to my various hosting accounts as fast as possible. But still all these domains have in common that they have this small registrar in their domain history.

    My question is: Lets say a domain goes from registrar 1 --> registrar 2 ---> registar 3.

    registrar 1 = old registrar
    registrar 2 = backorder service ("intermediate registrar")
    registrar 3 = my new hosting company

    If I keep the time span of registrar 2 really short (1-3 days), will google recognize this "intermediate status"?

    Because if G does this would mean that I could only buy a few domains from each of these backorder services.
     
  2. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    The registrar history is a footprint, period. If ever site carries that same pattern of transfers it is pretty obvious. And all it takes is a manual review and you're done.

    Why do you want to risk it with this? Are these really cheap or something? I don't see the benefit.
     
  3. aussiejack

    aussiejack Regular Member

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    has google access to the whole history of a domain? Does it recognize if there is a short registration of 24-48 hours?

    I am not sure about that. If the whois data is not crawled within that short time frame I dont see how google could know it.

    I use this backorder service because it is good. By far the best I had so far. Not the usual crap that is around.
     
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    bartosimpsonio Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Google is a domain registrar. They won't crawl that data, they'll get it delivered to them in real time as soon as you register.
     
  5. nonai

    nonai Power Member

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    yes, this is a footprint. at this point in time, the algorithm does not care about it, i have had all 40 domains in my pbn from the same registrar and it wasn't a problem. but of course this will be patched and the algorithm will start looking at these things soon.
     
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    infoasian Supreme Member

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    I would not care about it. Many people use the same company, probably. Just transfer out some of your domains and use different hosting/whois and you should be fine with such a small network.
     
  7. aussiejack

    aussiejack Regular Member

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    I read it several times but never found evidence so far that all registrars get the data of all registrations taking place. Do you have any background information about this?

    That would also mean that most people using godaddy actions would fuck it up. Because at first godaddy uses your account contacts for the whois information automatically and people change the contact manually then.
     
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    Unless bartosimpsonio knows something I don't, I'm quite certain that domain privacy cannot be systematically voided, even if you're a registrar.

    Sure, it's been commonly said that "All registrars know everything about all registrants, even if they're 'private'", but there's just no evidence to support that.

    When I first researched this topic, I found this old thread that seemed to make things pretty clear.
     
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  9. aussiejack

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    Thanks man thats a helpful thread.

    The most important info was this:
    That means G will not get an automatic update about address changes. However, they will see DNS updates. Unfortunately in my case that is enough to destroy my process. Because this backorder service will set their DNS once they catched a domain successfully. Of course I change it immediately after transferring the domain to my hoster but for 24 hours or so there is their DNS in the history.

    It seems like I am not safe with my current domain buying
     
  10. domainingin

    domainingin Regular Member

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    Your site makes you money, so why risking it with any same footsteps at your PBN?

    Diversifying all steps is a better strategy than loosing your PBN and your money site in the end...
    Cheers
    Dan
     
  11. aussiejack

    aussiejack Regular Member

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    I was not sure in the first place if it really is a footprint. Thats why I was asking. BTW this domainorder service is just the best I found so far. Lets face it, most expired domains out there are crap. I dont like crap
     
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    You are right that most expired domains are crap, but still not all and thus it?s worth searching in the right source yourself or having someone doing it for you, even at a small fee, is the thing...
    Cheers
    Dan
     
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    If they do a manual review, you're probably screwed anyway. If they don't get you on this footprint, they'll get you on something else you don't even know you're doing.