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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by moonlighsunligh, Nov 2, 2014.

  1. moonlighsunligh

    moonlighsunligh Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I am looking to start a PBN. I have found a domain with lots of links from Forbes(more than one link) and Venturebeat (just one).

    However the TF(trust flow) of the domain is zero. Should I choose this domain?

    Totally it has around 40K links from 50 domain and it has a clean anchor text profile.
     
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    40k links... why do you think no-one has picked it up yet?
     
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    I first checked it :)
     
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    It's an Algo, of course it can be gamed.
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    I would not based on the above.
     
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    if it's worth then buy it.but, no one on bhw can tell you worth of a domain without looking at link profile.
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    There is no real expired domain that has 40k links and 50 RD anymore. All of them are gone and people catch expired domains with those metrics nowadays rather than find them.
     
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    It also has links from forbes.com and venturebeat.com and a clean anchor text profile.


    I probably have been lucky because I have found quite a few such domains. I think that 40K doesn't matter as much as the number of referring domains. And i typically find domains with anywhere between 25 and 150 referring domains that I consider quite good for my PBN.
     
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    It has good links however I am nor sure for trustflow.

    External Backlinks 42,409 Referring Domains 58 Referring IPs 55 Referring Subnets 54
    Trust Flow 0 Citation Flow 11
     
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    But you can be sure, that if you have 40k backlinks form just 50 referring domains, it's obviously SPAM!

    If you see high CF and low TF than you have lots of links, mainly spam, directories, link farms and very few authority links.

    TF= 0 (if real) does not pass link juice.

    Cheers
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    And having CF=11 and TF=0, you have a CF/TF ratio of 11, sure SPAM, all with CF/TF ratio above 1.8 is mainly SPAM.
     
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    I do not get why TF is 0. Trustflow is a metric how far the domin in question is from a trusted domain.Therefore Forbes is not a trusted domain?

    This was a personal blog with just one drop and so it likely isn't spammed. I mean nobody used it as a PBN domain before.

    Wouldn't a spammy domain have sings of that in anchor text profile?
     
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    Trust flow represents a metric that comes from authority links to a given Domain / URL

    But it depends also on how many spam you have: if you have 1 link from Forbes and 1k from link farms and directories, one link from Forbes is far not giving any juice.

    But you can buy it and try on any site that is not your money site just to see, if it ranks.
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    Dude - forget all those outside metrics... TF/DA/JFK/PDQ... look at the links.

    You have {40,000|40K|Forty Thousand} links from only {50|Fifty|Half a Hundred} domains.

    That is usually a very bad sign that the spam truck was parked in the neighborhood for some time.
     
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    That is ok, but there was just one drop and this is a blog of a regular writter for forbes.On archive.org it looks very clean.

    I do not have ahrefs premium so I cannot see all the links. I can see just first 10.
     
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    If you want I'll do you a favor and send you a ahrefs on it.. just email me - greg@ypick.me - and I'll get you the whole report.
     
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    moonlighsunligh Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Actually ahrefs.com shows only 22 links. Do you maybe have a majestic.com as well?
     
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    I am sure that it's having a lot of spam links from authority sites, so better drop it inmo.
     
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    From authority sites I checked, it only has links from author bio(forbes for example). And no spam as far as I can see.
     
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    I hate to differ from all the above posters but let me give some clear understanding of how majestic's TF works.

    Majestic's metrics, as like any other google's metric like pagerank is defined by a set of algorithms. Unlike PageRank's algorithm, majestic's metric won't assign the numeric weight that a page/link is passing when the page/domain is dead/expired/404's. It'll come alive when the domain/page is rebuilt/restructured and started giving 200 success signal when their bots crawl the page/domain again. Occasionally you may find some domains that are still showing the TF metric even when the domain is expired. The chances are their spiders haven't crawled the site again after it is dropped/expired.

    We're in 2014. What you need to care/look at is not the domain themselves, but the domain's backlink's metric. If you don't have the paid account, you can order the ahrefs/majestic backlinks report from fiverr for your expired domain and trim them to root and de-dupe them on scrapebox/excel and check the backlink domain's metric on free tools like netpeak checker. If their metrics looks good, then you're good to go with the current domain. You'll get all the fancy numbers back when you start building the site.

    Always remember, majestic/ahrefs/moz/seoprofiler/whatever backlink services are not google and each of them are having their own set of algorithms to determine a domain/page's authority. With google being blindfolded us by not updating their pagerank, all these backlink service's metric's can and should be used only as a grain of salt to gauge a domain's authority, but they're nowhere near the ever growing google's algorithm.

    Feel free to drop me a PM if you need any help/assistance.
     
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  20. domainingin

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    ahrefs counts backlinks far better, but you should grab the opportunity and check the backlinks as BTB offered, so you get the whole picture, instead of hypothetical discussions of each of the metric.

    If you like you can receive an advanced report by Majestic additionally from me, admin (at) domaining.in

    Cheers
    Dan
     
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