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PBN and ranking problem of money site

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by asker1, Apr 3, 2017.

  1. asker1

    asker1 Registered Member

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    Hi,

    I basically have two different problems with different money sites. So here it goes:

    Money site A problem:
    • I have an important long tail keyword for which I created a special page on the money site
    • I have created a lot PBN articles focused on that long tail keyword and linked them to that special page on my money site, I basically have 10-15 PBN articles in TOP 70 serps for that keyword
    • the money site is still ranking only in 3-5th place, while my competitors have hardly any links and none of them in top 100 for that keyword
    • its like this for a very long time (1 year or so)
    Money site B problem:
    • I did the same as above, its a 2 month old domain
    • PBN pages rank better than the linked page on the money site! Whaat?
    Could anyone of you give me some feedback?

    Thanks!
     
  2. SeLecTeD

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    Are you using the Tumblr method ? It happend to me as well. You could just send the traffic from pages to your money site and still earn a lot.
     
  3. asker1

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    Nope, I dont use Tumblr. I use only expired domains.
     
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    Ah, maybe check your onpage Seo?
     
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    Over optimisation of content on money site A?
     
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  7. asker1

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    Yeah, I was thinking about onpage, but cant find any obvious flaw. I just checked the KW density on the money page A and its around 1,7% for a 1500 word article. Lots of internal links to that page too.
    On the money site B its around 2,3%.

    Can you explain it, please? Havent heard about penalty 1x1.
     
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    Have you checked your neighbours? Or is this a dedicated IP?
     
  9. asker1

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    I use a reputable virtual server hosting + cloudflare, so its hard to find any neighbours.
     
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    Try decreasing your destiny a bit, try re-reading your article and remove the kw where it doesn't flow good.
    Replace them with couple of LSI's, aim for about 1%, but better make it flow good.
     
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    If you've got your money site on a free cloud flare plan then that might be your problem. You'll be sharing an ip with a ton of spammy websites.

    Have a look at the majestic bad neighbourhood checker or my supa growth one (free, no catches). Might help.
     
  12. asker1

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    Hmm, do you think that it could poise such a large problem? Because free Clouldflare is used by a lots of reputable sites and it would be unusable if Google would just give penalties to everyone on cloudflare because of some spammy sites in there. I just checked majestic and it found a lot of really reputable brands on that IP...
     
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    Well if you've checked everything else and are certain it's not on page or off page then maybe. Where is the money site that's ranking ok? Is that on cloud flare free as well? I've read stories of people's rankings dropping after moving onto the free plan. But then again who knows how reliable these stories are. Could you trial a premium account?
     
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    well, either you got "some kind of" penatly on your moneysite.
    OR, you were impatience as a the get-rich-trolls after setting up your PBN posts.
    wait 21 days after the PBN links , pointint to your moneysite. and see the magic.
     
  15. asker1

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    I was just thinking about on page factors. I do have a large iframe form just after the first paragraph. I am not sure if it could influence my rankings so badly, but I do need the iframe, it has an affiliate form in it. Of course I could make a button instead and link it to some other dedicated page with only the iframe, but I think that the conversion rate would drop.

    But of course maybe it doesnt have anything to do with it.

    The money site B doesnt have any iframe, just buttons with nofollow redirects.
     
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    Well I am waiting patiently for a long time. Years. But I have to admit one thing - I ranked a lot better previously, maybe 6-8 months ago I was first for most the keywords and now its slowly dissipating. Didnt change anything big, just slowed with building PBN links and created more content. I have 100 PBN domains pointed at the money site A.
     
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    Yeah remove anything that could be interpreted as spammy. People don't realise how Google works these days. They have penalties for spammy looking things with a manual review but they also do have machine learning. So if you have a spammy onpage setup that thousands other spammy webpages have (who have received penalties) then it will know your game.
    If you've got 100 pbns pointing to it how are you diversifying your backlink profile?
     
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    OP don't listen to people randomly posting their advice here, if you check their post history you will see they have no idea what they're talking about, penalty LOL.

    For each site you do, you should make link building campaign which will you stick to, I usually do 2-3 month campaign for each site, pbns carefully dripped over and other links so it looks like a normal business. If i am not ranked after that, i continue dripping pbns.

    For your 2 month site, its simple, your pbn domains have more age and juice. It's very rare to rank a site in less than 3 months these days.

    In your 1 year old site, competitors might be hiding their pbn, or you don't have enough topical relevance, or your bounce rate, ctr etc. are shit . It can be a ton of stuff, impossible to tell without having all the data.
     
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    Yeah, you are right about the diversity of my backlink profile. I am creating only PBNs. Maybe I should dilute it a bit.
     
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    Yeah, you are right, some advice is a little bit off. Of course I am very thankful for any advice, because people do it in their free time for free. But I have to sort out a lot of stuff.

    I am thinking about diluting my Backlink profile, but I am still unsure about it, if this is really the problem and if some comments or web 2.0 will make a difference. Will try it out.