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Payout after first page submit???

Discussion in 'CPA' started by izman, May 8, 2009.

  1. izman

    izman Newbie

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    Hey everyone. Kind of a newbie here - well, with CPA I am. Been reading ALL these forums like mad. Awesome place! You guys are great, and I'm glad I'm a part. Hopefully I'll be able to impart some of my wisdom and help out others. I have a quick question.

    I've signed up to several CPA sites and approved. Been looking for great offers to promote. Can anyone help explain some of the terminology regarding crediting a CPA? Looked everywhere for a glossary or something, but came up with nothing. I really don't want to go asking my rep/manager what it means (I come off sounding like a noob lol)

    Right now, in particular, I'm looking at an email submit offer. It states "Payout after first page submit" That means as soon as the user fills email addy and clicks submit, I get credit, right? Do the networks actually credit on the click, or the successful load of a second page?

    Also, I noticed on other offers it's not specified when you receive credit. Are there any general rules? Assumptions to be made? Or should I contact my manager about those particular offers?

    Thanks for the help!

    Iz
     
  2. blackhat50

    blackhat50 Regular Member

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  3. izman

    izman Newbie

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    Ok, so I someone posted almost the same question about payment after submit while I was reading threads deeper in this forum.

    So....

    Is there much of a guide regarding credits/payment for offers if it's not explicitly stated?
     
  4. jburrtucaz

    jburrtucaz Regular Member

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    Usually it will be stated within the offer description. If not either load up a proxy and go through the offer yourself or even better, just contact your affiliate manager and ask.
     
  5. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Junior Member

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    If it says 'one page' 'one field' 'email submit' or 'zip submit' it pays out on the first page. Bear in mind although they payut on the first page the advertiser would expect a good % of people who sign up continue beyond the first page (how they make their money).

    Some offers that don't say what page they convert on, just ask your AM (they'll know, I know some survey offers don't specify).

    Free trial offers often convert on the second page.
    And offers that say 'double optin' convert when the user signs up and confirms their email address.

    Hope that helps.

    Cheers
     
  6. izman

    izman Newbie

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    That does help, thanks! I'm curious though...

    Let's say I'm sending email/zip traffic through an iFrame. How do you handle the "continue beyond first page" expectation? If I get credit on submit, but the advertiser is tracking who actually continues... most BH traffic will not even see the stuff on the next page.

    If we need to resort to BH tactics to get these email/zip submits - how do we get traffic that'll honestly continue past that first page? What's a good ratio if we can get honest traffic to continue?

    Let's say we send 50 BH email/submits to an offer. These leads will always submit email/zip but will never continue. How many "continues" is a general rule to balance things out so it all looks natural?

    Or is this really worth worrying about? Offers come and go, but I don't want to be kicked from a network because advertisers complain that none of my leads EVER continue past submit. If I get several advertisers on the same network making the same complaint, I'm bound to be banned.

    This also makes me wonder if this is how advertisers determine their scrub (or is it shave? sorry - still new to the lingo). If the advertisers know that with completely natural, somewhat targeted traffic, for every 10 submits there are 2 who continue - or 20% - then, if you send 100 leads and only 1 actually continues the advertiser realizes the traffic is probably bogus (due to their own statistical data) and decides to pay on their statistical scale. 1 continue means you most likely sent only 5 genuine leads - so they pay for 5 instead of 100.

    Ideas?
     
  7. plunge

    plunge BANNED BANNED

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    You're asking all the right questions.

    If your traffic doesn't continue past 2nd page ever, then if you do enough volume to get on the radar they'll definitely voice their concern with the network and probably ask to have you removed from the offer.

    If you're going to head down this path anyways, the best thing you can do is spread your traffic across several offers from different advertisers. Note that usually with email submits, one advertiser might have a dozen or more offers in one network. Look in the footer of the landing pages to find a common "footprint," (like a company name or address, or same privacy policy link, etc.) to determine if it is the same company.

    Your aim is to basically be the guy just driving a handful of leads to all of them, then even if you do somehow end up on the radar they never get enough statistically sound data to make any conclusive determination as to the quality. :)

    Best of luck. Feel free to AIM me if you have specific questions that you think would be easier conveyed there.
     
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  8. izman

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    Great advice! Thanks!

    I may take you up on the AIM offer, but not right away. Still researching. Don't want to trouble you with answers I could easily find here.

    I will definitely rotate my offers, and only put those with different footprints in the same rotation.