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Panda Killed my site... I fixed all the "problems" still isn't ranking

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by majestry, Jul 25, 2011.

  1. majestry

    majestry Junior Member

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    It's been a good 3 months since panda killed my site. I was ranking #1 for the primary search term that IS my domain name, the content is good and helpful (I actually know what I'm talking about) and it is well designed, easy to navigate, and easy to use. I was between #1 and #3 for about 5 months and on the first page for the past year, and since Panda I have not been able to get past page 6. There were a couple technical problems -- I had an infinitely recursive canonical issue, for example -- but those were resolved 2 months ago.

    I am ranking behind dozens of pages that aren't even relevant, have no backlinks, with content that is mostly affiliate links and barely-intelligible English. Am I being specifically penalized by Google for some reason? On a side note, I haven't been below #4 or #5 in Bing or Yahoo in over 15 months.

    It is extremely frustrating because I've dumped $1,000 into the site over the past few months with a complete overhaul to make it easier to use and navigate, among other things, and I've done everything that has been suggested on the google webmaster forums and I'm still in SERPrison.

    Any thoughts on what I should do? Keep doing what I have been doing (building links, growing the site, etc) or is there no way to revive my site?
     
  2. dantob

    dantob Power Member

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    I'm having similar issues with a few sites. Most of my sites just dropped to page 2 from their top 3 rankings and a few did go to page 6 and beyond and others just disappeared from the SERPs (though still indexed).

    I don't know if it was lack of backlinks in the last 6 months or what? My content was unique as well. I don't know if adding more content will help because I've noticed other similar sites in different niches still ranking in their spots with no new content from like 6 months ago. I don't know why they didn't get hit, while my sites took the fall.

    I'm trying to find out as well if anyone had any real success in getting their sites to rank again after getting the boot from first page. I also wonder if it's a penalty that is there for a 3 or maybe 6 months that once lifted will rank the sites again. I don't really have a clear idea on what it could be that causes the big drop in the SERPs.
     
  3. matei

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    I had the same problem.
    However, here are a few questions for you:
    - what's the main source of links for your site?
    - how long are the articles?
    - any black hat techniques that you used often?
    - do you have any kind of duplicate content?
    - do you use spun articles?
    - too much sitewide links that point to your site?
     
  4. katona44

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    Some strange rankings are going on this days,but yesterday i got a success...1 of my client added on his website this tag: <meta ..noindex>(3 weeks ago) he was deindexed for main keyword(before i put that keyword in top 10)....but i continued linkbuilding for that keyword,now suddenly from nothing his site appeared in top 3.

    So good content+safe linkbuilding is king nowadays.:)
     
  5. dantob

    dantob Power Member

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    In my situation...
    1. Backlinks from articles,bookmarks,profiles,comments
    2. homepage article around 500 and internal articles 300+
    3. If you email direct scrapebox/xrumer blast to money site...then no
    4. No duplicate content..all unique
    5. No spun articles
    6. The only links I have on the site is on hompeage one link to authority site and one pointing back to TLD...internal posts have 2 links.... it's keyword linked to homepage and homepage kewyord link linked to TLD

    So I don't know if it's just a matter of doing new backlinks since these sites have not had any links added to them (though some of them had new content added right before the whole Panda thing started) or will new content will help as well?
     
  6. redlaunch

    redlaunch Registered Member

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    This is very interesting...
    I have 1 question for you, when did u remove the noindex tag and how long after it did the page start to rank again ?
     
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    I have been holding off until now to give my opinion on the Panda update, and for me, the results are in.

    All of my websites where I actually offer a service or product that is MINE. = Big SERP increases.

    All of my websites where I do affiliate marketing and CPA = Not even in the top 100.

    I'm sure everyone else's results are different, but this is what happened to me.
     
  8. blackhatty

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    Patience guys! Google is working....:eek:
     
  9. redlaunch

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    i have more or less the same result !
    What kind of linkbuilding did you do on ur service/product site ?
     
  10. ronmojohny

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    Panda was mostly a manual review slaughter fest. There seems to be a traffic volume level threshold that trips a filter. Even if you completly redo your site, it could take months before Google crawls and reclassifies your site.
     
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    Did you check your keyword density? I had a site that was hit hard by Panda. I lowered the keyword density and removed a few tags and my old rankings were restored. I did this after waiting about five months for it to come back on its own.
     
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    There could be obstructions in the codes since you said you overhauled it. How are javascripts placed on the site? Do you use ajax? Do you have thick codes in your page? How about HTML validity? On page matters even more now after (that's content + all other known on-page SEO factors).

    If it's okay PM me the URL and a simple Ctrl + U might answer your question.
     
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    300 word articles seems a little thin possibly? Have you added new content to beef up your pages?
    Are all your pages pushed back uniformly to the 5th/6th page?
    Do you have videos/images on your pages?
    Do you have any strong/authority links from well known websites in your niche?
     
  14. LBrown

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    I was about to say the same thing as ramen. The two things I see as major factors post panda are social bookmarks and low keyword density. You won't rank with social bookmarks alone but it you omit them, from my experience, you won't be ranking easily, but that's not your problem so you might want to check keyword density.

    As far as what other have said, I'm not seeing it.

    • I have {crap|spun|duplicate|scraped|grammatically incorrect} content on a ton of my sites.

    • I have a lot of {black hat|low quality|spam} backlinks.

    • I monetize primarily with affiliate links.

    The only properties of mine that are down are the articles I had on hubpages.com and those were all well written with pure white hat backlinks. Black hat is working nicely for me while I see a lot of white hat webmasters suffering. That's my {experience|observation}.
     
  15. dantob

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    What sort of keyword density should we aim for? Before I would be doing 2% so with a 500 word article on the homepage my main keyword would be used 10 times. Should we lower it to like 1% and incorporate LSI words within the content to help the site?
     
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    If your keyword is "blue shoes" then you want the density to be low for both "blue" and "shoes."

    2% is good but people usually just test for the phrase and not the individual words in the phrase.
     
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    Same problem here, see my post: /blackhat-seo/white-hat-seo/330118-lost-my-1-sites.html
     
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    In my experience ranking all of the sudden below page 5 for ALL keywords is a punishment. No changes will help but being manually "whited" by Google...
     
  19. majestry

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    I never expected so many replies so quickly!

    There is a wide range from article sites, web 2.0s, blog comments, social bookmarks, etc.

    -From 400-700 words.
    -Not really.
    -None whatsoever. Everything was hand written by me, and I write excellent content (I still do some freelance stuff where I get paid in excess of $0.02/word for it)
    -Nope. All original.
    -You're talking the ratio of links to my main page to links to deep pages? That MAY be a problem, but I don't think so.

    As far as my keyword density goes, it's about 1.5%. I honestly don't focus on keyword density, I focus on the user experience and where the keyword phrase fits. Pretty much, I follow all of Google's rules.
     
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    Oh, I also want to point out that my homepage has been, since they knocked me down, ranking 1 place higher than an individual page that is not particularly relevant to that search term. Regardless of where my homepage is in the SERPs, it is ALWAYS one spot above this deeper page.