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Panda isn't killing Blog Networks, Scrapebox is

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by boydie, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. boydie

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    I?ve been doing SEO for a long time and there are 2 words that have never went together well, SEO and Blasts, the 2 just don?t sit well if the point of SEO is the game a search engine by appearing to be naturally increasing your sites positions.

    There have been lots of posts recently about people saying that the recent Panda update is now targeting private blog networks and my theory is that this isn?t the case.

    The culprit is Scrapebox and Xrumer.

    Think about it, you don?t blast your money site with these tools, why? Because the link quality is poor, it doesn?t seem natural and you don?t want to incur a penalty.

    So why do you think it?s then ok the Blast your pages that are on other sites? They will get the same penalties.

    And if blog network user 1 blasts his pages and then blog network owner 2 does the same thing then this is a red flag to the Google spam guys and very easy to spot.

    It doesn?t matter that the link is part of a pyramid or a network Scrapebox blasts will have the same effect anywhere you use it.

    So although Google might be on the lookout for content patterns from one spun article being posted on 400 blogs, blasting those 400 pages over a short period of time from wordpress comments is of course going to flag an issue.

    SEO in 1998 was about appearing to naturally improve a website, it?s the same now, natural grow the is the only thing that Google can?t determine as it should have no common path.

    So to round up, if you are spending decent sums of money on services like my Supernova or any of the others it?s probably best to check with the service/network that they want you blasting there blogs.
     
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  2. The-A

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    big g needs quite a while to crawal links from such blast. it won't crawl 5000 thousand of typical links at the same time which makes you look very suspicious to its eyes. so I think it's pretty safe to use tools blaster like xRumer. moreover, there are services like linkslicious and lindexd that can help you decide how many links from such blast that you want googel to notice. it's no big d
     
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    I think using tools like linklicious are the worst thing you can do. Totally, unnatural.
     
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    I think it may be a mix of all things. But you are very right that these networks will have been hammed by shitty links. Stuff most people are scared to point direct at their own site. Add to this any spun content, or even shitty OK written content, poorly, quickly put together blogs whose posts have very little if anything to do with eachother. Already they are in danger.

    Add to that the simple fact that G KNOWS about these blog networks as the "in" thing to rank sites, just as wordpress spamming used to be great before nofollow came along. They would look to dedicate a fair amount of resources to finding out each and every site on the network and deindex them with no mercy.
     
  5. boydie

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    We actually had a customer hound us for a report, which it's strange but it was 12 hours after orders, and we thought "what's his point?" why buy our service that works and then demand it's all done in 12 hours.

    So he got his after 5 days like most other and then a week later got a pm saying that his site had decreased and not increased and it was our fault. We don't get many complaints so we looked into his order in particular and he had smashed the life out of it. Which for a few days started to effect other older orders which had stable rankings for months, so we refunded the dude and 301's his post urls to some duff site we have on a separate ip and low and behold the rankings all increased back to their normal positions, our first thought was that we had been rumbled but Google aren't paying engineering to snoop around forums and buy blog networks to get the site ursl and then banning, they just work out how to identify them via spikes and the penalty system takes care of them.

    If I can spot link building blasts using majesticseo then so can Google



     
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    blog networks dont kill your site.

    *public* *crap* blog networks yeah...
     
  7. poobah2012

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    i agree with you 110 percent, i have done all my links naturally, and all my sites are in top 10, i have one site i used the tools on and its no where to be found
     
  8. afro25

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    I agree. But i still find blog comments to be effective both pointing to my money sites and to my first tier of backlinks. What you don't want to do is blast the crap out of them, but regularly make a small number of backlinks on high page rank pages with low outbound links - simple stuff.
     
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    but private blog networks dont allow spam from scrapebox and xrumer...
     
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    And how will they know about that? I can blast whoever i want :)
     
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    We now monitor pingbacks after we send reports, so it's actually easy to spot
     
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    The keyword here is blast... Try to make them look natural as possible. You are right the more you BLAST the more you will get the red flag..
     
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    I'm guessing the key here is that the users themselves are leaving too many footprints. Google sees the trend in the backlinks and the similarity of the sites being used and that is how they caught on. But what OP has said does shed new light on this matter and I don't think Google is that ignorant they don't know what we are doing either.
     
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    so is your suggestion that:

    a) backlinks are devalued because scrapebox and xrumer are used on backlinks any time after they are placed

    or that

    b) backlinks are devalued because scrapebox and xrumer are quickly used on backlinks before even the competition could find them or anyone other than the site owner / backlink placer is aware

    or

    c) something else I'm not properly getting

    ?
     
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    Before making any deal i wanna talk to u personally Pm me your skype ID
     
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    I think it's a mix of both. You need to create natural links mixed with SB, xrummer blasts. Always worked for me. Just don't blast thousands AA at once
     
  17. cemedia

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    You sir are misinformed. Google targets Blog Networks by the recent Panda 3.3 Update. Links from xrumer and scrapebox blasts have long been devalued by google ever since 2009 - 2010. Let me just quote the email coming from the founder of ALN. This was emailed just a couple of hours ago to all ALN Subscribers.


     
  18. cocococo

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    Today I found one of my blog has been deindex, what have since done so far is change my post per page to 5, and then use noindex of tag and achives.

    I think all blog network should remove the ability for users to put tag on article, cos this in effect causes duplicate content, and what happened when you have duplicated content possible deindex.
     
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    I was actually doing this months ago, until I found out it actually harms the network. Lesson learned.
     
  20. NikosX

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    come on! really?
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    the worst thing about SEO is that no one really knows 100% what he is talking about. and with so many guys playing the guru shit here and there and promising top ranks with ...a scrapebox blast...

    the thing is. you can't blame absolutely NO ONE for trying to sell their services. YOU have to be responsible and research where you spend your money on. I tried many times going the "wrong way" regarding the seo trends and i found success.

    trust no one. trust only your logic (well... if you have some anyway)...

    /of course this is not written to attack anyone here... just my opinion and my frustration!