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Pages randomly disapearing and re-appearing from rankings

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by myopic1, Jun 6, 2016.

  1. myopic1

    myopic1 Regular Member

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    Over the past 4 weeks I've noticed that across a large number of unconnected (i.e no cross pollination of link sources) personal/client websites that I actively monitor, pages are randomly disappearing from Google for a number of hours and then re-appearing with no observable consequence to ranking position. It's not limited to the first page, I've also seen it include the second and third pages too.

    Is anyone else seeing this? The first 4-5 times it gave me a fright but now it's happening seemingly every other day for one ranking term or another that I check manually. The disappearances are not usually registered by rank checking software but are observable when manually checked. Just to be clear the website and the page itself remain indexed but just drop fully from their ranking position. It's possible there's some big algorithm change being split tested.
     
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    Are those all new websites? I had experience with this one too, but it was long time ago, it happens especially on couple weeks I started my new blog
     
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    No the ages vary a fair bit, some are 5+ years old with solid authority, some 1+ year old, some new and everything in between. There's nothing to connect these websites either which makes me think that the behavior may be widespread.
     
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    I suggest you using serpbook for better tracking. Checking it manually will not help you further, as google will set search result based on your google account preferability, unless you clean all browser cookie & cache, and access it using VPN or different IPs
     
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    Suggestions noted but as I mentioned in the original post, it's often too quick for software like SerpBook to pick up (though sometimes not). All checking is done with clear cookies, different browsers, IPs and platforms, I do my due diligence.
     
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    Not only 1st, 2nd and 3rd, but for my client, the position is dancing between 6th, 7, 8 and 9th page.
     
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    That's just ranking fluctuations, I'm talking about a complete disappearance, no ranking movements just gone, zero, zilch, nothing nada.
     
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    I've actually seen this too. I hope it's not them split testing the new Penguin algorithm. However, it seems to be only specific pages, which makes me think it could be a cache'ing issue. As when it happens, I don't see too much else change. Seems this wouldn't be the case if it was Penguin.
     
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    Same here, if it is a split test, things are going to get ugly! Yes exactly it's the individual pages disappearing, it's just happened to me again this evening but when the page is searched for using an alternate search term, all is fine and the page is there nice and indexed...so a cache'ing issue sounds like a reasonable assumption to me, perhaps a communication error between data centers. Occasionally the page is still there on the mobile SERPs too which lends further support to that theory.
     
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    Exactly. For example if I see a domain of mine missing, I'll search for the brand KW and it's still #1. If it was a Penguin split test, the brand should drop too. As with Penguin, a penalty would result in site-wide drops, even on brand keywords.
     
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    Best keyword makes the best ranking of a site and always place in its position in SERP. If the competition is increased for that keyword, may affect the rank and cause google dancing for some time.

    In that case, try to change the keyword with unique to avoid the competition and it helps to place the rank of your site in 1st page.

    best wishes.
     
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    I am experiencing the same problem for my site too....dont know why is it happening??
     
  13. Thesiege84

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    Yeah I am also having the same issue:

    My friend and i have 2 websites that generally rank position 2 and 3 for a whole range of keywords and there is 1 keyword (79k MS) that for some reason we are both missing from the SERPS now and again... its really weird because if you check practically any other keyword relating to the niche we are in position 2 or 3 but for some reason this keyword keeps dropping us both in and out.

    My friend says that when he searches it, he sees us both there but when i search sometimes we are missing.

    Its started happening more and more over the last 2 weeks and Serpbook is now also picking up the change sometimes....

    What i did notice the other day is that when i went incogneto on desktop that google was giving pages a nice box around them in the serps but in normal view i cannot see it. I also cannot see it anymore in incogneto and also not in normal browser.

    I'm not sure if it is an update coming or not but i REALLY hope that it doesnt apply this for all my KW's as i'll be losing around £40k per month which would SUUUCCCKKKK!!!!

    EDIT: Ive just done a search to see if anything else it out there about this and i found this interesting article from 2006... don't laugh, i know its a long time ago but they are seeing the exact same thing happen, so maybe its not an update coming, maybe its a glitch or maybe its something SOO obvious that we are missing...
    https://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/34795.htm
     
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    I've noticed something else too which is weird but could give us a clue...

    There were 2 days that serpbook showed that i wasnt ranking at all for the keyword and i was also checking it manually that day BUT webmaster tools shows that i was getting impressions and clicks that day from that keyword...

    So this leads me to think that it is isolated to me in some way...

    Another out there theory is that imagine Google sees my IP always searching for the same keyword all the time but doesnt see me click on any pages (because i am just checking my rank manually).... i wonder if this triggers something that says "Hey, we're obviously not giving this guy what he needs..." and dumps the first few results to see if they can change my behaviour...
    ^^ Maybe a bit out there but you never know!
     
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    The IP explanation would be a huge deal in terms of the search algorithm, I've never heard about anything like that but maybe someone who is more familiar with some of the Google search patents out there can chime in. To go against that theory though, I used 2 separate VPN providers to check a result and the page still wasn't there, both IP addresses were UK based so it's entirely possible that at that time the same Google data center was serving results to both parts of the UK.

    Based on my experience of using a VPN to check, I'd say that the problem is 'localised' rather than isolated to you which again would go back the the data center / cache'ing theory.
     
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    Yeah thats interesting.

    I am also in the UK so it could be localised...

    I have just searched for the keyword (primary) in some different locations (+ secondary kw of same MS):

    US VPS (using google.co.uk)
    Primary: NOT FOUND
    Secondary: FOUND (2+3)

    Germany (using google.co.uk)
    Primary: NOT FOUND
    Secondary: FOUND (2+3)

    Locally UK (using google.co.uk)
    Primary: NOT FOUND
    Secondary: FOUND (2+3)

    In fact now i can't find a location where i do see the keywords ranking.... maybe its spreading out this "glitch/update/whatever you call it" through the datacenters...

    Stupid Google... i do hate them sometimes!
     
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    Here is a little update... my pages are now not ranking for this keyword what so ever.... but sometimes serpbook shows it as there but most of the time it is not...

    BUT for the other similar keyword relating to this niche i am ranking in 2nd position...
     
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    It's called Google dance at its best, and it's, almost always, an indication of an update in progress, or oncoming.