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I know this topic has been covered before, but no matter how many times I look for it, I get conflicting views.

I know the toolbar Page Rank gets updated daily, but once backlinks get indexed, is your pagerank updated right then and there? I've heard that is does similar to SERPs being instant. However, where could you check to see if you indeed went up a pagerank?
 
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Pagerank updates on some schedule that G have, generally quarterly. It is unknown until it happens, mass changes across many sites identify when that is.

It doesn't happen daily or when links are found. Mini PR updates have been known to happen sporadically for smaller numbers of sites, and when sites get nuked/penalized they lose their PR immediately.
 
The PR that shows up in the toolbar and the actual PR of a page are two separate things. The toolbar is only updated 3 or 4 times a year but the actual PR is updated on a regular basis just like the rankings. While nobody at Google is saying exactly how often, it really has to be done on a near continual basis just like the keyword rankings if PR has any effect on those rankings at all.
 
If PR is hidden internally at G and maintained dynamically for rankings calculation (which I doubt myself), there is no way of knowing what it is until the quarterly (or so) update.
 
Curious as to why you doubt it. If PR has any effect on Googles algorithm at all it would make no sense at all if they only updated it a few times a year. That would mean that for most of the year their algorithm would be inaccurate. It would also mean that when they did do the PR updates there would be a huge shift in the searps which I have not seen happen.

They update everything else on an almost continual basis, I see no reason to believe that PR would be any different.
 
this topic highly interest me as im currently trying to up my pagerank right now.
 
This same topic was recently discussed in another thread. I'll just quote my reply here because the explanation applies to this thread as well.
GreyWolf said:
littleg2008 said:
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Something that not many people know is PAGE RANK UPDATES EVERYDAY on your site. Its just only rarely the value updates on the systems. and seo tools etc
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This should probably be clarified a little bit so it doesn't create confusion for the newbies to PR.

What littleg2008 means is that the algorithms aren't giving weight based on the posted PR value of a site. The posted PR is just a number representing the Page Rank of your site on the day Google did the last PR update. PR updates are done about 3 or 4 times a year. When you look up the PR value of a site that's all that your seeing.

The actual PR value that the algorithms use are close to real time values based on the overall interlinking of pages on the internet as their crawlers find the links. This is a fairly constant ongoing calculation done by google to determine where to place all the pages in their indexes.


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It's possible to use BH methods to cause short term manipulation of a pages PR, if this is done right around the time the PR values are updated then you could cause a site to show a high PR when in reality it isn't one. This is why littleg2008 mentions to be careful when buying websites with high PR. Before buying a site based on PR it's a good idea to really check out the sites backlinks to see if the PR of the site looks reasonably accurate. Even then it can be hard to tell for a lot of people. There are tools that can estimate the actual current PR of a page, but their accuracy is debatable.

(The same advice holds true if your purchasing based on projected earnings, really look closely at the sales history because it's possible for people that know what they're doing to fake the sales data.)

FYI - Most people know this, but here's a little trivia for the newbies to PR. The 'Page' in Page Rank has nothing to do with the word 'page'. It's in reference to Larry Page, the co-creator of the Page Rank algorithm. (and since Page is a person's name it should always be capitalized.)
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volund said:
Curious as to why you doubt it. If PR has any effect on Googles algorithm at all it would make no sense at all if they only updated it a few times a year. That would mean that for most of the year their algorithm would be inaccurate. It would also mean that when they did do the PR updates there would be a huge shift in the searps which I have not seen happen.

They update everything else on an almost continual basis, I see no reason to believe that PR would be any different.
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Well I personally believe PR is not a factor in the algorithm. It is merely a reflection of value of links. The links are valued daily/automatically into the algo which *does* calc for rank and serps, but it does so on the links themselves and not PR of the site. For example a PR3 link from a trusted authority site is going to carry more algo weight than a PR4 link from a newer spammy site. PR is calced quarterly to simply show the general overall link value, unrelated to other factors.

What I'm saying is PR is merely represents overall link value, like a gauge or meter. I do not believe it is a representative number that fits squarely into the algo.

If PR were automatically updated on the fly, and the data on hand, why not send it to the toolbar? If it's such a resource intensive operation to only do every 3 months, it doesn't make sense that it would be used in the algo.

I think G is now using it to distract and confuse newer webmasters who get caught up with chasing PR. It is a good indicator of a site's overall backlinks value, but certainly not the end-all be-all. Other factors such as trust and authority are more important.

This is a gut feeling, I have no quantitative data or evidence. I tend to try to think like the SE to figure out what angles they might have or why they do things they do. My theory makes sense and it works for me, and in the end all that matters is the bottom line. I have low PR sites that make good coin and I have high pr ones that do so-so (and vice versa of course). So, I don't chase pr and continue to chase things that make me money.
 
Crixus said:
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What I'm saying is PR is merely represents overall link value, like a gauge or meter. I do not believe it is a representative number that fits squarely into the algo.
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That's probably a pretty accurate explanation.

I think the actual PR equations are incuded in the google algorithms. As such the PR value will constantly be changing as the algorithms sort the data. When google does the PR updates it's just giving a snapshot of what the PR value of a website is at that time. PR updates are useful information, but it isn't an actual number that google is plugging into their algorithm.

By using the equations in realtime while sorting and indexing the data allows Google to keep their indexes current. Giving semi-quarterly PR updates allows webmasters to track their seo efforts, but prevents the information to be used for reverse engineering the full nature of the Google algorithms.
 
I seen few month back page rank update some time monethly and some tiem quarterly. Now a days again started update quarterly
 
Seriously, even I feel the page rank update is un-known. Ranking so many sites everyday is a tedious task and can't be done on a regular bases.

Usually happens 3-5 months intervals, but since last year they have been doing it more consistently.
 
GreyWolf said:
That's probably a pretty accurate explanation.

I think the actual PR equations are incuded in the google algorithms. As such the PR value will constantly be changing as the algorithms sort the data. When google does the PR updates it's just giving a snapshot of what the PR value of a website is at that time. PR updates are useful information, but it isn't an actual number that google is plugging into their algorithm.

By using the equations in realtime while sorting and indexing the data allows Google to keep their indexes current. Giving semi-quarterly PR updates allows webmasters to track their seo efforts, but prevents the information to be used for reverse engineering the full nature of the Google algorithms.
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Greywolf, I absolutely respect your opinion and I very well may be wrong. Back in the day, when PR was a new and recent thing, it would completely make or break a site. Today, not so much. If it is a factor in the algo, it is considerably less important than it used to be.

If PR is a big deal to someone, and carries importance in their methods, ideas and ways of making decisions and all of those are working and are part of how they successfully make money, then there is no need to let anyone try to tell them differently.

However, someone looking to succeed who focuses a good bit of effort on raising PR would probably find (IMO) more success focusing on other on-page factors and quality backlinks instead of just PR weight.
 
Well, I do have to say that PR certainly doesn't mean nearly as much as it did "back in the day". Now, it's one of many, many factors in your SERPS placement. Certainly not the main factor.
 
I have a plugin from automaticbacklinks.com installed on some of my wordpress sites and whenever my Pr changes, I see it automatically on my account. Sometimes this could happen on a daily basis.
 
Crixus said:
Greywolf, I absolutely respect your opinion and I very well may be wrong. Back in the day, when PR was a new and recent thing, it would completely make or break a site. Today, not so much. If it is a factor in the algo, it is considerably less important than it used to be.

If PR is a big deal to someone, and carries importance in their methods, ideas and ways of making decisions and all of those are working and are part of how they successfully make money, then there is no need to let anyone try to tell them differently.

However, someone looking to succeed who focuses a good bit of effort on raising PR would probably find (IMO) more success focusing on other on-page factors and quality backlinks instead of just PR weight.
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No your not wrong at all. Unless someone is planning to flip websites or sell advertising on a site then there isn't any reason for them to give too much thought to the actual page rank of their website. PR is the result of all the backlinking seo done for your site, not the cause of it. Paying attention to the PR of pages you want to get backlinks on is really the only time you need to think about PR.

It's just a matter of understanding what PR actually is. The number that google gives out that everyone gets all excited about is really fairly meaningless. But actual PR equation is still the foundation of the google algorithm. It's had a lot of other factors and filters added to it over the years, but how websites are linking to each other is still how google determines relevance.

Anyone that chases PR though is wasting their time. High position in the SERP is all that really matters, and that's the number that people need to be concerned about. I've answered a lot of questions on bhw on the subject of PR. If you do an advanced search for 'Page Rank' and by user 'GreyWolf' and look through some of them you'll see my replies are almost always along the same lines as your reply, but even though PR isn't the 'holy grail' a lot of people think it is doesn't mean the equations aren't relevant.
 
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