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Hello guys. I have a targeted keyword which has a lot of searches (100k monthly) but low cpc. Anyway, the difficulty is low (my foreign language keyword). Top 1 website has powerful backlinks etc, it's OK. But the problem is second website has total 2 backlinks (no hidden pbn or something for sure). How is this even possible? Third and others have 40-50~ referring domain backlinks and have 15-20 DA, so they are normal. But that website has 1 DA and 1 PA :). Is there any explanation for this situation, I didn't understand it.
 
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how you now its not a hidden PBN powering it ? i would guess so.
 
UstaUser said:
Hello guys. I have a targeted keyword which has a lot of searches (100k monthly) but low cpc. Anyway, the difficulty is low (my foreign language keyword). Top 1 website has powerful backlinks etc, it's OK. But the problem is second website has total 2 backlinks (no hidden pbn or something for sure). How is this even possible? Third and others have 40-50~ referring domain backlinks and have 15-20 DA, so they are normal. But that website has 1 DA and 1 PA :). Is there any explanation for this situation, I didn't understand it.
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Hidden = you are unlikely to find it.
With proper setup its almost impossible to find
 
VeeGeeN said:
How do you hide PBN links properly? Does it cost to do it?
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Its more like preventing sites that report what links there are to your site (Moz, Majestic, ahrefs etc) from crawling your PBN to find and report those links.

You can tell your server using a file called .htaccess not to serve a page to any visitor with a particular IP address or user-agent string (or any other identifier).

If you research blocking access using htaccess, other people will give you a much better explanation.
 
powerful authority domains (which are established long time, have many brand, naked links which look natural, social signals and many indexed pages..) can rank their posts keywords without any links to the post url so if that is in your case (if post url have 0 links but domain is good) then you should not be wondering why it ranks.. also some domains either have great content which not require many links to rank, or strong links which not require good content to rank or they have best of both and then you will have very hard time outranking them so better dont waste time.. If you see no links (check with multiple tools but i prefer ahrefs) and its thin, not great content they are maybe hiding links like you thought, but i personaly think that PBNs are not great to rank anymore which i seen from my own results and websites in both english and foreign language, but it maybe still work good for other people and if they are some professionals and hiding PBN correctly you probably will never find it.. so try to do some in-depth analysis..
 
Unreliable Witness said:
Its more like preventing sites that report what links there are to your site (Moz, Majestic, ahrefs etc) from crawling your PBN to find and report those links.

You can tell your server using a file called .htaccess not to serve a page to any visitor with a particular IP address or user-agent string (or any other identifier).

If you research blocking access using htaccess, other people will give you a much better explanation.
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Cheers for the advice. Do you do this on all PBN domains and your money site?
 
Generally I try and create PBNs that have a good reason to link to the money site so that linking looks natural. Some block bots. The majority don't need to.

I don't do it at all for money sites because there is no benefit from doing so. The idea of using .htaccess is to stop bots from seeing where you link out to.
 
luc1fer said:
powerful authority domains (which are established long time, have many brand, naked links which look natural, social signals and many indexed pages..) can rank their posts keywords without any links to the post url so if that is in your case (if post url have 0 links but domain is good) then you should not be wondering why it ranks.. also some domains either have great content which not require many links to rank, or strong links which not require good content to rank or they have best of both and then you will have very hard time outranking them so better dont waste time.. If you see no links (check with multiple tools but i prefer ahrefs) and its thin, not great content they are maybe hiding links like you thought, but i personaly think that PBNs are not great to rank anymore which i seen from my own results and websites in both english and foreign language, but it maybe still work good for other people and if they are some professionals and hiding PBN correctly you probably will never find it.. so try to do some in-depth analysis..
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how do perform in depth analisis to check out a site hiding PNBs?
 
Unreliable Witness said:
Generally I try and create PBNs that have a good reason to link to the money site so that linking looks natural. Some block bots. The majority don't need to.

I don't do it at all for money sites because there is no benefit from doing so. The idea of using .htaccess is to stop bots from seeing where you link out to.
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htacces does it block crawlers to check fo inbound links?
 
luc1fer said:
powerful authority domains (which are established long time, have many brand, naked links which look natural, social signals and many indexed pages..) can rank their posts keywords without any links to the post url so if that is in your case (if post url have 0 links but domain is good) then you should not be wondering why it ranks.. also some domains either have great content which not require many links to rank, or strong links which not require good content to rank or they have best of both and then you will have very hard time outranking them so better dont waste time.. If you see no links (check with multiple tools but i prefer ahrefs) and its thin, not great content they are maybe hiding links like you thought, but i personaly think that PBNs are not great to rank anymore which i seen from my own results and websites in both english and foreign language, but it maybe still work good for other people and if they are some professionals and hiding PBN correctly you probably will never find it.. so try to do some in-depth analysis..
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At least someone answered my question, thank you :)
 
set23 said:
htacces does it block crawlers to check fo inbound links?
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Not quite. htaccess sets rules as to what happens when a page request is made.

You can tell your server not to show a particular page to anyone with a particular characteristic. That could be "show page X to everyone except crawlers who call themselves Roger" or "show page X to people from the USA and show page Y to people from France". That is all greatly simplified, so as to be able to explain the concept.

If a crawler requests a page from your server, and your server denies it, then the crawler doesn't know the content of your page, including whether that page links to any other.

.htaccess stops crawlers from seeing outbound links.
 
Unreliable Witness said:
Not quite. htaccess sets rules as to what happens when a page request is made.

You can tell your server not to show a particular page to anyone with a particular characteristic. That could be "show page X to everyone except crawlers who call themselves Roger" or "show page X to people from the USA and show page Y to people from France". That is all greatly simplified, so as to be able to explain the concept.

If a crawler requests a page from your server, and your server denies it, then the crawler doesn't know the content of your page, including whether that page links to any other.

.htaccess stops crawlers from seeing outbound links.
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how do I deny a competitor to see my inbound links?
 
set23 said:
how do I deny a competitor to see my inbound links?
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Use htaccess on those sites you don't want him to see the link coming from.

You can't stop him from seeing links from sites you don't control, including web 2.0s.
 
Unreliable Witness said:
Use htaccess on those sites you don't want him to see the link coming from.

You can't stop him from seeing links from sites you don't control, including web 2.0s.
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Thank you.

But how do you know which bots to deny to crawler your website?

Is it sufficient to deny the Moz and Aref bots to crawler your website, in order to stay safe?

What has to be written in the htacces file?

“Deny this bot?“ .. “Deny Arefer and Moz“?
 
set23 said:
Thank you.

But how do you know which bots to deny to crawler your website?

Is it sufficient to deny the Moz and Aref bots to crawler your website, in order to stay safe?

What has to be written in the htacces file?

“Deny this bot?“ .. “Deny Arefer and Moz“?
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You have to look up what a bot does (if you can find the information), then choose whether you want it to crawl your site.

It is your choice.

As I said before, you should research this on the web generally and on this forum.
 
Unreliable Witness said:
You have to look up what a bot does (if you can find the information), then choose whether you want it to crawl your site.

It is your choice.

As I said before, you should research this on the web generally and on this forum.
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I want to prevent competitors to see where backlinks to my money website come from

What can I do
 
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