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Outrank #1

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by J0kerz, Nov 23, 2009.

  1. J0kerz

    J0kerz Supreme Member

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    Hey guys, one of my site is currently #2 on google for my keyword and I cant seem to be able to outrank the #1. I got WAY more backlinks than him and all of his backlinks are low PR. Why cant I outrank the #1? Should I just wait?

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    Any ideas?
    Thanks,
     
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  2. kingbrend

    kingbrend Regular Member Premium Member

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    Maybe better onsite SEO.. add more content.
     
  3. Wini23

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    Redirected (cloaked) links perhaps....high pr / powerful links....
     
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    rofl how is this website beating you with under 20 links???
     
  5. businessminder

    businessminder BANNED BANNED

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    Easy.

    - Quality of Domain (Keyword-targeted - no un-necessary words, domain age, suffix)

    - Quality of Backlinks.

    - On-Page SEO
     
  6. topsytips

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    It's a bit difficult to tell exactly as you have removed the headings from the MS printout. However, you appear not to have your keyword in your URL whereas the no.1 rank does.

    You could try adding you keyword as a folder, but then you'd have to start from scratch with your blp stats.
     
  7. GuerillaDreamer

    GuerillaDreamer Registered Member

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    Something is definetely fishy because it looks like some serious link building on your part. You should have kicked his ass.:) From what I see his entire site has only 17 links? What`s up with that? Is it a huge gap between the age of the two sites. 10 years or something similar?

    In fact tell us the age of the sites, the tld, the size of sites ( number of pages), anchor text percentage. For modeling onsite seo and backlinking structure, download IBP from the download section and run a project comparing the two sites.

    Go through the IBP report and post the results here.
     
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    johnting101 Newbie

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    Perhaps he has an aged domain? Usually older domains are ranked higher much easier than younger ones. How long have you been link building?
     
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    creztor Power Member

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    Give it time. As long as you have more links (and they aren't naughty links ;) ) and better site design with quality content, you will hit number one. Instead of worrying about WHEN, focus on continually adding content or links.
     
  10. J0kerz

    J0kerz Supreme Member

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    Thanks for your replies guys!

    Actually my website deisgn is WAY better than the #1. I also have more content on my site.

    His domain is 2 months older than me. And he has a forum linked to his website. I think that might be the problem.

    Ill post IBP report soon.
     
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    trystanys Registered Member

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    With that stats in MS you should easily outrank him in Y and Bing. If that is the case maybe G considers your links as spammy.
     
  12. J0kerz

    J0kerz Supreme Member

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    I am not outranking him in Yahoo & Bing.

    Also I got alot of PR3-8 Backlinks. This is strange.
     
  13. J0kerz

    J0kerz Supreme Member

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    I am not outranking him in Yahoo & Bing. I got tons of PR3-8 backlinks.

    This is strange.
     
  14. toxtom

    toxtom BANNED BANNED

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    Sometimes MS is WRONG About backlink count, I wasted like $300 on content/domains/promotions for some keywords which I found on MS and it suggested as with almost no backlinks as in your case!
    but then I checked with this tool
    http://www.backlinkwatch.com and they had TONS OF backlinks!

    Check if this isn't the case.
     
  15. d3t0x

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    is his domain name the keyword by any chance?
     
  16. J0kerz

    J0kerz Supreme Member

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    Nope still shows 16 BL. Thanks for the idea.


    Well, not exactly. like: keyword1keyword2z.com

    Theres a random letter at the end. As for me:

    keyword1-Variation of keyword 2.com
     
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  17. d3t0x

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    Hmm that's strange if I was you I would just wait because from what you have showed/told us you should be outranking him..
     
  18. J0kerz

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    I now have more than 900 Backlinks and still #2 :(
     
  19. businessminder

    businessminder BANNED BANNED

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    I have more than 1000 domains and domains with dashes never performed well.

    I have actually tested this by doing the following:

    - Picked a niche and decided to rank for a 2-word phrase.
    - Setup 2 domains, keyword-targeteddomain.com (2 keywords) and randomword.com (1 word, not related to any keywords at all)
    - Added 30 keyword-targeted articles to each with proper on-page optimization
    - Built the same amount and quality of backlinks to each.

    The results:
    randomword.com beats keyword-targeteddomain.com by far. (randomword.com is on first page while keyword-targeteddomain.com is on like the 4th page)
     
  20. J0kerz

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    @Businessminder: Thanks, interresting info!

    Argg,

    My website just went suddently down to ranking #50.

    I hope it will come back on top and wont go into sandbox...

    I created 1000 BL over a period of 2 months, my site should not go to the sandbox right?
     
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