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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ┼blackrat┼, Jan 27, 2011.

  1. ┼blackrat┼

    ┼blackrat┼ Senior Member

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    Recently I experienced an interesting phenomena with 2 sites of mine.

    They are both long tail domains with a decent amount of searches yet relatively low amount and strength of competition(mostly yahoo answers and web 2.0 type of sites).

    My websites are made from a custom wordpress install I have. Everything 100% unique content, and quite entertaining let me tell you ;)

    I usually got indexed and ranked 2 days after the last piece of content scheduled was posted for all of my sites. These 2 went straight to the box.

    You search for the domain name(without the site: operator) And get a "did you meant "sitename.COM"? (mine are both .org)

    They´ve got all pages indexed, but not showing up anywhere.

    I have possibly made a mistake of letting an adsense plugin displaying ads when they didn´t had any content, and I think this may be the cause. One last thing I think could be its the fact I just tweaked the header of the wordpress default theme.

    Anyone has gone through this before? I mean, I´m familiar to sandbox and how to avoid it when it comes to linking, but right off the bat, when the site have just started, it´s news to me.

    Thanks for any inputs.
     
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  2. extesy

    extesy Newbie

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    It might be just a temporary glitch with one of google's datacenters - they don't have all identical data, and the replication sometimes creates such inconsistencies. That might happen more often especially for new domains which have lower priority for replication.
     
  3. santacruz

    santacruz Junior Member

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    My site have never been to the SandBox, even I do not have unique content.

    But one thing I have to make sure is I add it to google analytics and webmaster.
    I've never promoted the site, I let Google find it from their analytic and webmaster.

    I will keep checking the cache, if my new site get Google cached more than 2 times, then I good to go with more link building.

    that's my 2 cent!
     
  4. cyvex

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    I've had a issue recently where my site looked to get a penalty straight off the bat,

    I have the Keyword.com domain and I was stucturing my site adding pages and then going to add content later.

    I think the pages got spidered beofre i added the content and my site went from 15-300 and has sat there ever since.

    Not sure if google didn't see content the first time and just thought it was a spam site?
     
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    Its funny i came across this thread, I have a site that is in the same situation. I created the site with almost 15 articles 300 to 400 words each all unique. Its a long tail domain with more or less a lower amount of searches with little competition. All my pages are indexed but none are showing up in the top 1000 searches. I didnt have adsense but it is on the same ip as another site that i ended up getting sandboxed by what I believed is too many links.

    Does the sites have their own ip?
     
  6. pirondi

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    It happened once with me even without making links i got sandboxed,but 1 month later it come back..
     
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    ┼blackrat┼ Senior Member

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    Nopes, these are on shared hosting.

    Maybe they´re getting smarter huh...

    I do not use analytics on my sites but I always submit the sitemap to webmasters tools... Link building will do no good at this point for me, since I like to track results live to not overdo it... Can´t see the sites on the serps, that´s too bad.

    Not really man. I´ve got some proxies and VPS across the world and they´re nowhere to be found...

    It just plain sucks to have your ROI delayed like this... I´ve submitted a reconsideration through webmasters tools. Let us hope I see the money at the end of this lol. Time to diversificate and pursue something else then.


    Thanks guys. Any other inputs greatly appreciated.
     
  8. cyvex

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    Keep us posted ┼blackrat┼ I'm thinking about submitting a reconsideration 2 and Id love to hear how you went!! ;)
     
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    lincolndsp Newbie

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    maybe google has just not decided what to do with your site. happens at the start all the time for me
     
  10. Yukinari84

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    That doesn't necessarily mean you are in the "sandbox". It could just be that you aren't ranking yet.

    Did you have ads and/or links to aff offers etc from the start? This sometimes causes Google to look at your site as "just another" affiliate site which can make ranking a little harder sometimes.

    I never use anything from Google on any of my sites. Even if you don't use Google analytics, using webmaster tools is just as bad. I know there's debate about this, but from my personal testing and tracking, using GA and/or GWT is not beneficial.

    One thing you can try is continuing to add some good content, a couple of links pointing to authority sites that Google loves, and then ping your site to get Google to come back and spider yours site. Also, if you have affiliate links, take those down temporarily and try what I said. if things work out, you can put them back up.
     
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  11. webmast

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    I feel safer NOT using Google services too. But I miss GWT's site geo targeting badly.
    How do you rank in Google Canada when you can't buy a .ca domain and hosting?
     
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    You can influence your rankings for your sites with proper SEO(on-page factors) and SEP(off-page factors).
     
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    When you changed the header, did you change the description? That can make the site bounce around in the SERPs for a few weeks I have found.
     
  14. webmast

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    Really? :D

    Wouldn't it be much harder to build more Canadian backlinks instead of just setting the geo targeting option inside GWT to Canada?

    @ OP - one of my sites just came back from the sandbox (or whatever).
    It was ranking nowhere in the SERP for more than a month.
    I was publishing new content on it but not building links.
    Today it's back and ranking N1 in Google.
     
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  15. Yukinari84

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    If it's a site that you know will not be a problem to put GWT on, then it will probably be easier.

    With that said you don't just need backlinks from the place you want to ranki in. You could without any in a lot of cases.

    It's all about how your site's setup, the content, and your backlinks and anchor text. That's why I said SEO and SEP.
     
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    Updating this:

    Built a couple of profiles directly to both sites and pinged them. Now they rank, not as I thought they should(4th and 5th pages), but at least now I got results to see so I can measure the backlinking efforts.

    My policy was to only build links after the websites were ranked naturally by the content and natural wordpress pings, but this case has proven to be necessary to do it the other way around(this time)...

    And maybe, god only knows, the reconsideration I sent had something to do with the sites reappearing in the serps.

    Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge here.
     
  17. Tensegrity

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    This is really good advice. When I first started it was one of those things that I just did instinctively -- you always want to stay under the radar, so don't use google webmaster or analytics and don't post ads all over the site when you first launch it.

    Glad to see you're back in business ┼blackrat┼
     
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