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Out of the box: is this even possible? If so, Google will never get it patched.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by FromBrazil, Jan 10, 2015.

  1. FromBrazil

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    At first I thought about developing a tool to:

    1) Visit my own website
    2) Spend some time around, clicking on a page here and there (all randomly)
    3) Click on the AdSense link —> earn the advertisers' money

    Even noobs can develop this tool, you might think, only if they apply themselves. What I described above is what humans actually do, but unfortunately human behavior is only part of the story. This tool would be spread all over the world (don't ask me how...) so the access would come from good IPs and different locations, which is very important, but then again, this also is only part of the story.

    The problem we face with this approach are the damned footprints that Google can track. We can tamper with them, you say, but Google is not stupid.

    Here are some footprints I can think of:

    1) Browser user-agent, and from this user-agent: Operating System, Browser, Browser Version
    2) IP (cannot be hidden), and from the IP you can guess geolocation and language
    3) Browser language
    4) Screen resolution
    5) Color depth
    6) Check installed plugins
    7) Check font
    8) Different browsers (or even browser versions!) can leave different, specific footprints

    Why is this important? Because you can choose to hide these footprints, but Google will not be fooled: normal computer users don't hide these footprints en masse while browsing the internet, so if you either choose to hide them or have static/poorly combined footprints you'll be caught. In fact, if you randomize everything but forget (or don't know about) a SINGLE footprint, and all the "visitors" show this footprint common to all normal users of x browser/browser version lacking, you'll be caught. And don't even think about making your tool emulate a single browser (e.g. Firefox). You'll be caught if over 90% of the visitors to your site come from a Firefox browser.

    And the most problematic footprint of all...

    9) Cookies!

    Why? Because the huge majority of users have a browsing history of varying length and Google AdSense, Google Search and Google Analytics are everywhere. Do you use Google Search to find stuff? If so, Google is already tracking you. Do you visit BHW? Well, guess what, Google Analystics has a nice cookie for you. If you recall seeing an AdSense, no worry, it saw you too.

    What am I saying? Simple, when you click on an AdSense link, Google will use the cookies already stored to see where you have been (all important IDs are saved on their servers and also in your cookies), how long the cookies exist, and if their information match. If the footprints 1-8 made you give up on this tool, then cookies will force you to forget about it for good.

    Here comes my "crazy idea": a program to manipulate the users' browsers. So forget about everything I said above, except this:

    1) Visit my own website
    2) Spend some time around, clicking on a page here and there (all randomly)
    3) Click on the AdSense link —> earn the advertisers' money

    If browsers can be manipulated either by a (invisible) plugin or through another method to do the steps 1-3, then everything will be truly HUMAN in Google's eyes, from the users' behavior to the browsers' footprints. So first you set up a website, use whatever is at your disposal to make it attract a decent number of visitors, and months later show AdSense to your visitors and cash on it by having what we can only describe as "humans" surfing your website, spending some time around and then clicking on the AdSense. But the question is... can browsers be manipulated into doing the steps 1, 2 and 3?
     
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  2. macdonjo3

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    This is so 2006. Man, you're so naive. There's "nothing out of the box" so don't label it as so. Maybe if you joined the forum 4 months ago it's new. You're not going to outsmart Google, no patch needed.

    What about your CTR being unnaturally high? I'm not going to get into it, but there are a number of things you left behind and you'll eventually get a bunch figured out, maybe make money, then be ordered to pay it all back 2 years down the road. But you left so much out, and even more that I wouldn't know so I wouldn't worry about it.
     
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    that ship left and sank a long time ago
     
  4. ok888

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    I didn't even want to waste my energy on posting in this thread but one word for you

    CONVERSION

    Think deep into it
     
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  5. FromBrazil

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    "Pff, your idea is older than backward walking"

    In all honesty, I am far from naive. If I were naive, I would still consider the "tool" idea. I opted out, thinking it's close to impossible to simulate all the variations of browsers and their footprints, including cookies, and instead I see the solution in manipulating the users' browsers, because everything is already there.

    "But, but you forgot to consider CTR!"

    I forgot to mention the CTR, but I took it into consideration. The program to manipulate the users' browsers and generate traffic — with or without their consent — can be defined as a botnet. A comment from another BHW user:

    "Infected" implies lack of consent. Anyway, if the bot is listening to a server, two parameters can be passed: a) how many machines will visit the website b) of these who get to visit the website, a chance in % (CTR) of clicking on the AdSense, e.g. if 1000 bots visit the website and you set the CTR to 2~4%, only 20~40 visits will result in clicks on the AdSense.
     
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    Things like these do exists and are used by some people.
    I dont want to get into the subject so much since its probably against BHW TOS, but there are specially made clicknets that do the things described by OP. Of course there are some tricks to pull it off, you cant just go ahead and make 2-5-10K with a small simple news website that you have created it yesterday.. But its doable, on small and large scale also still in 2015.
     
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    At your own peril.
     
  8. FromBrazil

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    Thank you for your reasonable input. Yes, it's better not to talk about botnets. Also it's not my question.

    My curiosity is about the manipulation of browsers. Maybe in old browsers it's close to impossible, but today, with extensions and addons, it's very do-able, or so I suppose.
     
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    It might help if you knew what the conversion rate was. Hint: It's not the same as the click through rate.
     
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  10. FromBrazil

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    "Conversion rate, how about it?"

    Conversion rate doesn't matter for me as an affiliate, and Google doesn't have this information either. Only the advertisers may know about it. And guess what, if your target market is large, there's more than enough advertisers to mask any suspicion that would otherwise fall upon some poor few websites getting a lot of clicks and no conversion. So it's better to avoid targeting niche markets and instead focus on generic words and products (tangible or virtual) that sell massively.
     
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  11. WebLab

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    Google = sea of database about human interaction to website.
    If some advertisements are irrelevant to page and still getting clicks, google will know.
    If every user visits your website and clicks on ads, google will know.
    If website gets mostly type-in traffic, it would be suspicious.


    "This tool would be spread all over the world" << not going to happen, as nobody will risk his/her adsense account. Plus it takes a lot of time and money to create website, adding unique contents and getting traffic.

    One more secret : The owner of the adsense account will never(almost) click on other websites' adsense ads.
     
  12. FromBrazil

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    WebLab, you made two good points which were not yet addressed.

    Indeed, type-in means empty referer. You raised an important issue. Fortunately, compared to other more complex footprints, this one is easy to fake. There are addons that change it, not to say antiviruses which erase all referer traces. So the new "3 steps" for the browser-manipulating program become this:

    1) Visit my own website using random referers
    2) Spend some time around, clicking on a page here and there (all randomly)
    3) Click on the AdSense link —> earn the advertisers' money


    The advertisements would not be random, they would be related to the content of my website.
     
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  13. fistor

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    This is rather sad, you're investing so much time and energy into coming up with a way to scam people. Poor advertisers paying to get listed in hopes of selling products.

    Do whatever you want, however from your replies I can see that you are rather smart, why not try to come up with ways of generating legitimate income?

    I usually don't bother when people try to scam CPA networks, only shady organizations advertise there anyways. On adsense however, there are tons of small businesses trying to get some coverage with their hard earned money.
     
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  14. WebLab

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    When there are not enough ads to website related niche, google displays random ads.
    On more secret : Google reads BHW :p
     
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    Yes, that's how media buying works. Companies just blindly buy ads all over the place and hope for the best.



    "antiviruses" that erase referer traces? Your level of clue just goes down with each post you make.


    What you mean to say, asshole, is "steal" the advertisers money.

    Why don't you go and actually earn some money yourself instead of trying to steal off other businesses who are actually creating something of value?

    Many of us here are media buyers and don't appreciate little fuckwits talking about "earning" or money.
     
  16. washington2010

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    Op must be a preteen to think this will work
     
  17. upstarter

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    How about coming up with a great idea to actually earn legit money and not worry about all those things that will probably get patched anyway.
     
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    Google doesnt know about conversion rate? lol thats an epic fail right there.

    They know much more than you think you do.

     
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    Someone's got to keep the OP's hopes alive
     
  20. ComputerEngineer

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    you can not manipulate adsense end of story :)

    say goodbye to your account

    also it is as money theft