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Opinion wanted on persons SEO knowledge

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by WhoYoDaddy, Aug 17, 2011.

  1. WhoYoDaddy

    WhoYoDaddy Registered Member

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    So I hired someone from this forum to take a freshly installed WP to put up some content and do some onsite / offsite SEO. ($100 job) and paid $30 deposit. Domain name has the keywords CREDIT RATING in it. I told him to do keyword research and use related keywords for niches of CREDIT RATING / CREDIT SCORE / CREDIT REPORT. He writes 10 articles all about CREDIT REPORT and here is a list of 8 of them.

    Credit Report ? Information about It
    What is a Credit Report?
    Credit Reports & Importance Of It
    Credit Report ? and Some Information about It
    Credit Report ? and It?s Importance
    Credit Report ? Complete Information about It
    What Is Credit Report?
    Importance Of Credit Report

    All of the articles were posted in 1 day (all 10, including 8 of these). The person claimed to have 5 years of SEO / content creation experience. If someone delivers you 8 articles on the exactly the same topic, would you accept them? Just on the work done so far would you continue using this person? Am I being out of line for asking a refund?

    Please tell me what you think about this persons knowledge and experience. As a SEO provider would you ever write 8 articles on the same subject and post them in 1 day on 1 site?

    PS. I am not posting the persons name yet. He promised to refund the money when I originally discussed this with him on Saturday. Now he changed his story and wants to rewrite everything. I asked for a partial refund and not planning to use any of his content.
     
  2. _Sunny_

    _Sunny_ BANNED BANNED

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    Do not ask for refund right away. Tell him everything you dint like about his service.
    If he provides you good support and rectifies everything, stay with him otherwise move on.
    For me, after sales support is more important than the sales.
     
  3. DamageX

    DamageX Elite Member

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    That's definitely shitty... But I agree with our Punjabi friend above, see if he rectifies it, before asking for a refund.

    HOWEVER I would still move on, this doesn't sound like a one-time fuck-up to me. The person should've followed instructions better and should have better understanding of the process.
     
  4. littleg2008

    littleg2008 Senior Member

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    yeah you have really 2 articles there, 1. What is a credit report - 2. Importance of a credit report

    It depends really what the purpose of the articles are to be used for. As long as they are all unique and contain the right keyword density for what you require. Then there should not be too much of an issue. As long as they are all unique.

    In future, maybe you should provide a better brief to this person and fully explain what you want / expectations. This way there can be no misunderstanding, and then if he still fails to deliver, then its time to move on
     
  5. WhoYoDaddy

    WhoYoDaddy Registered Member

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    I asked for a refund because this person clearly doesnt know what he is doing.

    None of my instructions were followed even though I provided them. For example I asked for new username to be created in WP so that all the posts are done under non admin account. He didnt do it and when I listed all the things he didnt do he said I never provided. This was followed by him changing the username to SEO and password to something else, effectively blocking my access to WP.

    I was looking for a person that would be do everything in one package. I provided sufficient instructions and dont want to babysit someone and overlook every step the person makes. If the person writes all articles on one subject the chances are that the rest of tasks will be done below par.
     
  6. WhoYoDaddy

    WhoYoDaddy Registered Member

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    Message from the person:

    All of my articles are plagged now - I cant resell them anyone.

    And I've written 100% unique 10 articles. All the articles were Coppyscape passed genuine & no similarity were there- okay?

    And if you give me a Negative Itrade - I also give you that. And I'll prepare a shitlist for you - and with these - You'll not get any workers in your future days.

    And I've 4 Accounts in BHW - and I use this account very rarely - so one negative feedback will not affect my business.

    So dont try to mesh with me... Go away!

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    I am at work now, when I get home I will contact the moderator and advise of the problems.
     
  7. DamageX

    DamageX Elite Member

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    Paid by PayPal? File a complaint, PayPal will give you your money back. Seller is never protected when it comes to digital goods/services.

    Oh and please let us know who this shithead is, so we don't make the mistake of hiring him as well. Thanks!
     
  8. WhoYoDaddy

    WhoYoDaddy Registered Member

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    I dont think I am out of line here. I received 10 articles where 8 were spun versions of the same topic, none of the other keyword directions were taken, including using keywords from the domain itself. This was only phase 1 (content) of the project but based on shockingly low quality of work I did not want to proceed to other phases and having to go thru the same experience. It is clear that he is no SEO expert with 5 years of experience. Nobody in their right mind would post 8+ articles to a blog about the same thing in 1 day. Especially when blog is about CREDIT RATING and all articles are written about CREDIT REPORT. While it is a related sub niche it is very odd that an expert would not include any articles to target domain itself or to diversify article topics on keywords provided.

    I am going to file a dispute with Paypal. He agreed to refund me the money when I first spoke to him. I offered to give him $5 and not even use any of his content. He still insists he delivered quality content. I tried to reason with him but he is very stubborn. I wanted to handle this internally but it ended being public. $30 is not a lot of money to cry about and I am doing this out of principle and to protect others on BHW.

    I am also contacting mods and letting him know about the identity of this person. Let them make a decision based on my experience as well as his statements about having multiple BHW accounts.

    Will keep you guys posted.
     
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    It seems like you were expecting more, but you should give them a chance to meet your expectations before asking for a refund. A deal is a deal and if after you state your complaints this person can deliver than you should pay.
     
  10. WhoYoDaddy

    WhoYoDaddy Registered Member

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    Expecting more? I am wrong to expect different articles written on variety of different topics / keywords? I should expect to give 3 keyword niches and get 8 articles written on exactly 1 topic? Should I waste more of my time supervising someone who is not qualified to do the job he stated he would do? I already illustrated that the person is making SEO mistakes that even newbies wouldnt do. If you continue to give people chances when they fail like that you will never succeed in life. When someone says they are a 5 year expert in SEO and they deliver this, you know its not the person you want to give a 2nd chance. When I give someone a domain about apples I dont want them to write about oranges, what is a orange, all you need to know about orange, info about orange, info about a orange, what is orange, orange facts, facts about orange.

    It seems you are confused my friend.
     
  11. DamageX

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    He wasn't expecting more. He just wasn't expecting LESS.
     
  12. Kikerinka

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    You paid $100 for a SEO job, new website, 8 articles, off page SEO???

    WTH did you expected from it? Have you ever heard about successful unique site that someone will make for you for $100 bugs? I would say you should think more in the process of choosing the guy to do the job, that's it...
     
  13. hispdcha

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    To me it seems like you weren't clear and he tried to pull a fast one. Both are in the wrong. In my opinion, cut your losses and move on. If he won't rectify it, dispute with Paypal if you feel the necessity. Next time, find an article writer yourself and pay them per article and give them exact article topics. When I order articles I am very clear on what I expect for example of an email I sent to one of my writers just two days ago:

    I do need 5 attorney articles and 5 real estate. Attorney would be like this:

    Criminal Defense - Types of cases a lawyer would cover such as burglary, knowing your rights, DUI (Drunk Driving), Drug Possession, etc. Anything you feel would make a descent 500 word article on why to use a Criminal Defense attorney.

    Bankruptcy Attorney - How bankruptcy can help you relive stress, how to choose a good bankruptcy attorney, and what are some potential pitfalls etc.

    Family Law Attorney - The perils of divorce, making sure you win custody battles, and family mediation to help avoid lawsuits or going to court over family quibbles.

    Accident & Injury Attorney - Get help to fight big insurance companies, how attorneys always get more money than if you don't get an attorney, wrongful death, gross negligence stuff etc.

    Real Estate Attorney - How a real estate attorney can help with short sales, or negotiating a real estate purchase contract, lease agreements, etc.

    Real Estate Articles:

    Advantages & Disadvantages to waterfront living - Owning a home on the water etc.

    Understanding The Short Sale Process As A Buyer

    How Interest Rates Effect The Cost Of A Home - Today's interest rates are below 4% which is extremely good. So this is something where you could do a little comparison on how a 5 or 6% interest rate effects the amount you can pay for a house.

    The Importance Of Home Maintenance

    Lastly choose a recent real estate news topic here: www inman com/news and write about it using your own words and what you think about it.
     
  14. WhoYoDaddy

    WhoYoDaddy Registered Member

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    I typically only use US based writers for content. This job was not only content creation, most of it was going to be grunt work of offsite SEO. There are plenty of people who create mini site / micro niche site for under $100 on this forum and others. My whole point is that the person misrepresented himself by lying about abilities. Instructions with keywords were given but not followed.

    My original topic was an opinion on how would you rate the persons SEO skills. If someone receives instructions with keywords about apples and writes 8+ articles about information about orange. Would a 5 year veteran of SEO / content creation do something like that?

    PS. If I didnt provide instructions with keywords where did CREDIT REPORT come from when domain is about CREDIT RATING? If I didnt provide enough instructions why would anyone write 8+ articles about exactly the same thing?
     
  15. Drink More Tea

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    Seems to me that they've delivered exactly what has been asked of them.