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One of Napster's 10---My Journey

Discussion in 'My Journey Discussions' started by oblivion19, Jan 25, 2015.

  1. oblivion19

    oblivion19 Senior Member

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    Hey guys,

    I am one of Napster's 10 and decided it would be a good idea to have my own thread of what I am doing and share with you guys. Although, I will be doing what Napsters been teaching, I will be sharing my personal thought process, doubts, new tricks I learn, specific way I am going about things etc etc.

    This first post will be about my background in Internet Marketing

    -I first started getting interested in IM around 2006. I fancy myself a bit of a writer. So, I started writing articles for others on DP and freelancer. Eventually, I thought about having my own website. I JV'ed with a guy with my articles and his SEO and we were making about $400 per month on the site and eventually sold it for $4k after traffic and income started to drop.

    -I got busy with my personal life as I was a student and i had varying periods where I would get interested in IM, fail and leave and the cycle would continue. I have dabbled in many stuff with minor profits and it would be obsolete to discuss all of that here. But, I will share what I had reasonable success with.

    -I sold SEO services on DP' pre penguin with decent success. All I was doing was packaging different stuff off Fiverr and BHW and selling them with good results. Unfortunately, post penguin results tanked and so did my service and I did not pursue it any further.

    -I got in to affiliate marketing a couple of years ago with mixed results. I made some good campaigns with POF but could not get anything consistent. I tested different PPC networks, Facebook ads etc. Unfortunately, I did not have much money to burn and I believe Affiliate marketing is my ultimate destination in IM and I would love to get good at it eventually.

    -By far my most lucrative period of IM was b/w late 2013 and early 2014 when I was create fb ads accounts and selling them. Eventually, I could not create them on my own but was brokering between buyers and sellers with decent results.. It died down after Fb clamped down hard on it.

    And I am back to square one hoping to get something going that could earn me money with consistency. I have always wanted an authority site and I think having Napster hold my hand through this will be helping me achieve that. I made stupid mistakes with my previous sites and they tanked and I am hoping I will be making sensible decisions this time.



     
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  2. oblivion19

    oblivion19 Senior Member

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    Here is the post where Napster talks about picking a niche.
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...e-group-100-free-post7529734.html#post7529734

    In addition to that, I posted my thought process in the thread and I'll add it here again.

    Factors that affected my Niche Selection


    The obvious guideline that was already given was don't go too broad or too narrow. Too broad and you don't know what exactly to concentrate on, too narrow and you can't scale it.

    1. Attractability.
    I wanted a niche that people feel passionate about. I did not want a niche that people search for when they have a doubt and after getting the answer never return to the site. So, an ideal niche for me means something people would bookmark and come back to it, share it on facebook, twitter etc.

    2.Sources of monetization
    I have done made for adsense websites back in the day. The thing that concerned me about these was how vulnerable and dependent I was on adsense. So, Ideally I would want a niche that can have multiple sources of monetization. Good affiliate products in the niche, high gravity for click bank products in the niche, products that sell on amazon, ebay etc are good indicators that you can monetize that niche via multiple sources.
     
  3. maecenas23

    maecenas23 Senior Member

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    It seems like you already know the usual ups & downs of the IM. You are ready to succeed and build some long term projects.
    Good luck!
     
  4. oblivion19

    oblivion19 Senior Member

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    This is the post where he talks about the factors in selecting a domain name.

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...e-group-100-free-post7531279.html#post7531279

    I got a pretty aged domain of over 12 years but not many backlinks or PR. It is a brandable domain and was used for a local service of that niche. So, I am pretty happy with it.

    I got it setup, installed wordpress, got a dedicated i.p address for it and got a theme and logo. I think the most important thing about the domain is for it not to be penalized or used for spammy stuff before because in such cases, no matter what you do, you will very likely fail.

    Here is Napsters update where he talks about setting the site up

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...e-group-100-free-post7534412.html#post7534412
     
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    that sound your on the right path with proper directions , Good luck mate keep us posted , are you planning on writing content your self ?
     
  6. onlineonly

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    Good luck with your journey and I can promise you if you stick with this site and continue to add great content, by next year you will have a site that will earn you money concistency. Just dont start buy some shady SEO services so the site will tank.
     
  7. oblivion19

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    The next step is keyword research. This is the Napsters post that talks about it.
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...e-group-100-free-post7535870.html#post7535870

    It was all exciting for everyone in the skype group when things were going fast past. The first real work was getting the keyword research done. Many of us were going on the wrong track and Napster was kind enough to take a look at them,correct us and guide us.

    So, I use longtail pro for my research. It took a while to get the hang of it but eventually I got it to work. The kind of keywords that I ended up finally that were okayed by Napster were long tails between 5-8 words. Very specific stuff like "how to do something very specific"

    I felt a little bit uneasy that most of my selected keywords were very long tails and had stop words in them. Stop words are filler words that search engines don't really give importance to. Examples how, to , is, a etc etc.
    So, I ended up paying a service for my keywords and decided to mix these with mine so that I have a bit of variety.

    I read a long time ago that there are 4 golden rules of keyword research, and I try to stick to that.

    1.Relevancy: Keyword should be relevant to your niche. Don't have a site on gardening and select a keyword related to justin bieber

    2.Traffic: It should get reasonable traffic. Reasonable traffic for me is a minimum of 500 searches per day on keyword planner. Although the tool is inaccurate and hence you could go lower or higher as they are only estimates.

    3.Competition: It takes experience to determine competition level. I felt many of the online tools are inaccurate when it comes to finding a competition of a keyword. All they do is see DA and PA of sites and higher the PA and DA are in top 10, the more difficult the keyword is. I think the best way is to just look at the top 10 sites. If you have niche sites with DA less than 25 in there, non exact titles, and few web 2.0's or forum posts or yahoo answers indicate low competition.

    4.Monetizability: I don't take this seriously because the estimate clicks are poor estimates. If a keyword has good searches and low competition, I don't mind lower CPC.
     
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  8. oblivion19

    oblivion19 Senior Member

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    And then came the biggest hurdle of them all. The content. It is the most time consuming part of a website. I actually am a decent writer but I have grown sick of writing after writing content for my previous sites. The good thing is that though I can reasonably judge the quality of content and so I decided to hire writers instead of doing them myself.

    When trying to hire a writer for cheap, you have to wade through tons of bullshit to find your diamond in the mine. I found a couple of decent writers but nothing exceptional after spending many days trying to find writers. So, I posted ads on some classified sites and freelancing sites and when they contacted me, gave them a topic in my niche and asked them to write a sample article.

    A little strategy I used is that I saved the samples from guys who did not meet my content quality requirement and put them in a folder. I think i will probably use them for tier 2 stuff like web 2.0s. A little gray hat I guess, but I paid the guys who I selected. So, I gave them the keywords and started getting articles from them.

    I then realized that it takes a lot of time to proof read, optimize them, get images, optimize them, optimize the actual post and post it on the website. It took me a few days, I managed to post about 5 of them on the website. I am in the process of signing up to social networks and will update you guys.

    I am getting images from google images which are free to use and from pixabay.com which gives free images with no attribution required.

    Here is the Napsters update that talks about content.
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/my-journey-discussions/730143-i-will-help-10-people-make-1000-10-000-per-month-skype-group-100-free-post7551714.html#post7551714
     
  9. cataratas

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    Great thread and thanks for the tip about pixabay-I haven't seen that site before. Now you have the foundations firmly in place you're set up for success with some hard work and commitment. Good luck!
     
  10. Aatrox

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    Nice of you to post your journey. Good luck :)
     
  11. lord1027

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    Great journey ahead, I'll follow you! :) Best of luck!

    How much do you end up paying for decent articles?
     
  12. oblivion19

    oblivion19 Senior Member

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    I am paying $2 per 500 words for one writer which gives me average quality and $3.5 per 500 words for another writer which gives me decent quality. But, I spent many days trying and testing writers. Most of them are meh, very few of good quality at my budget. I'll probably get good quality content but I am limited by my budget. I am happy to get average/decent quality and proof read it.
     
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    That is cheap :) But as long as it does the job, it's all good :)
    Did you get them from iWriter or other freelancing websites?
     
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    I can tell this is going to be a great journey.

    Do you have a timeframe in mind? How long will it take you to generate the 1k a month target and how much are you going to invest in time and also $$$ ?
     
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    Glad to see the site is taking off oblivion!
     
  16. oblivion19

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    I am not at all looking at $1k figure per month. It is just an estimate. Different people get different results and If I get hung up on a figure, I'd be destined to get possibly disappointed.

    So, I am not hung up on an actual amount. I am thinking of having a website that is successful- One which has few hundred articles on them which are quality, gets good traffic from a variety of sources like SERPS, social media and links. It should not be dependent on one source of monetization like adsense. I'd rather have a site earning $500 from multiple sources than a site that earns 1k from adsense. Hence, this factor played an important role in picking my niche. My current niche is monetizable by adsense, CPA, clickbank, amazon etc etc.

    As for the time frame, It is under napsters control at the moment, I am just sticking to the deadlines.So, he said that we were supposed to have 5 articles done by monday, so I just do that and wait for his next instruction.

    I have used freelancer.com few years ago and it was good. I am currently using some local classified sites and got in touch with writers I have used previously. I'll just share my tips on finding a good writer because most of the people in the journey are getting problems in this regard.

    Tips for finding a good writer

    1. Assessing Writing quality:The first thing is that you should know how to judge the quality of writing. If you are not a good judge, there is no point in trying to hire guys, getting samples from them when you don't have a sound judgement on the quality. If you are not a very good judge, I would suggest taking help from a friend or even hiring someone for it if you cant find someone. All you need is someone to take a look at the content and tell you how good or bad it is. I am pretty sure, If you post in BHW, someone would be willing to help.

    2. Different sources: Don't just post a single ad on freelancer and expect to get writers. You would have to go through them by the dozens. Post ads on a few freelancing sites like odesk,freelancer. Check out fiverr, Seo clerks, facebook groups of content writers, local classified sites.

    3. The elimination process:The first step is to ignore/reject writers who reply to your ad with very poorly structured responses. Copy pasted stuff, weird sentences like "sir, i can do this for you pls select me" should go in the bin straight away.

    Okay. I just got carried away writing these and I just realised there is lots to be written for this and it can be a good guide. So, ill stop here and update it tomorrow with the rest of the steps to pick a good writer.
     
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    oblivion19 Senior Member

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    Being Proactive and not reactive

    This is an important aspect that I decided at the beginning of this journey. I decided to be proactive rather than reactive . Let me explain what I mean by that. i don't want to just stick to what I have been told to do. I don't want to do the bare minimum of what is expected of me. I want to go above and beyond. I want to do stuff that is not required but gives an additional advantage when applied. So, let me tell you how I have done some added stuff that isn't required in the main journey thread.

    1. I am going to add a single video with each article and have my own channel on youtube for the site.
    2. I want to make this an authority site. So, apart from the articles which are targeting very specific keywords, I am going to have many articles which cover the basics of the niche.
    3. I am already keeping aside some content to be used when promotion starts.








     
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    Great buddy.. good luck.. You are dedicated guy.. Following Napster journey.. that's great.. Napster thread went viral impossible to see his update regarding the journey.. But you are too much dedicated.. You will reach you goal.. I am sure..

    Good luck once more time..
     
  19. Avid Learner

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    Thanks for running a separate thread...too many knuckleheads still asking to join.

    Quick questions:

    1) When you review the content delivered to you, do you do a search (or use a tool) to make sure it's not copied content from another site (particularly, a well known branded one)?

    I would think that is one of the risks of outsourcing writing.

    2) What kinds of instructions do you provide these writers? Is it simply "between 900 and 1100 words with these three key phrases" OR is it more detailed (examples?)?

    3) When you net out your time for review, proofing, editing, etc. are you saving time overall?
     
  20. Avid Learner

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    This is your baby, run with it! I think Napster absolutely doesn't want all 10 to be carbon copy approaches in every detail. You seem to have been around the block on this for a while, so can navigate any "footprint" issues.

    BTW, I like your tips on finding a good writer. Thanks.