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On Page SEO Or Off Page SEO ? What is STRONGER?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Loco Penguin, Nov 14, 2011.

  1. Loco Penguin

    Loco Penguin Regular Member

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    Hey guys,
    I have got a little question,
    during my keyword research I'm stumbling across keywords with competition that have a very high DA,BLD,BLP,RDP,RDD and PR but no "on page" SEO(Title,URL,Meta,Description) at all and they rank for that keyword.
    From what I have checked the keyword is not in their anchor text.

    can I assume that I can rank for this keyword with proper on page SEO but not massive off page SEO ?:confused:

    To People that posted here:
    Guys, I'm not trying to figure out if I could do JUST off page seo or JUST on page seo, I just want to know, that if my competitors have no on page seo at all but massive off page seo(but no anchor text) for the certain keyword, can I outrank them with proper onpage SEO and proper but not massive off page seo..


    thanks!
     
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  2. wuptii

    wuptii Junior Member

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    Its very hard to tell you anything solid with the information you have given.
    If they all have alot of backlinks you are probably going to alot yourself.

    try and show a screenshot with more information.
     
  3. boosters

    boosters Regular Member

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    Both are powerful but On Page SEO is most important for Search Engines, if you are on page seo is not properly ranked than SE will ignore your website and give you the poor rating on PR. Off Page SEO is for concentrating for backlinks for more traffic.
     
  4. thetermy

    thetermy Regular Member

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    Market Samurai is a nice tool to get an idea of how much work it will take to pass the competition. Some notes you should know about the tab:

    • When it says they have "322" RDD, this does not mean that if you get "323" you will pass him. 322 is a compilation of what Majestic(or yahoo) is showing for his link profile. He may have links there that are very high authority and therefore have a lot more strength.

    • the on page "Y" "Y" "N" "N" in my opinion, shows whether the specific keyword you are looking into has been optimized on the competitors page. This means: did the competitor put effort and do deliberet SEO on that SPECIFIC TERM? Remember, G doesn't rank only on exact match, sometimes high authority domains / pages rank because it is somewhat relavent.

    That being said, if you do have MORE, BETTER and HIGHER AUTHORITY backlinks, more edus and govs and you do the on page, you will likely outrank. Keep in mind the DA is something you cannot compete in.
     
  5. jascoken

    jascoken Senior Member

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    No. You can't assume anything...

    Bad on-page SEO is a pointer to the fact that pages are purely ranking because of their PR/Site Authority etc. and this often means that a concerted effort on a properly optimised domain/page can yeld results; but there's no such thing as 'a lock' on results.

    You'll still need external linking to get your pages ranking: you just might not need very much.
     
  6. Moogle!

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    You need both.
     
  7. Loco Penguin

    Loco Penguin Regular Member

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    Thanks Jascoken,thetrmy.
    And to others, I know I need both, but my question is, If I'm getting EMD, and I set my Web to perfect on page SEO.
    I know I need to do link building, but I'd like to know if you believe that it is going to be long time link building or short time..

    the SEOC is ~50K

    I'm not that new to IM, but I haven't seen anywhere a post/eBook that talks about on page vs. off page (I'll be more than glad if someone could correct me if I'm wrong and point me to source of information.)
     
  8. Getwhatchuwant

    Getwhatchuwant Elite Member

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    I might piss a few people off here but IMO off page SEO is much stronger.

    If it werent how are ecommerce sites ranking higher for particular words than informative blogs?

    There is no way that an ecommerce site can optimize for every KW in their inventory yet more often than not they are highly ranked through off page factors such as High PR backlinks.
     
  9. Loco Penguin

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    So , you think it's going to be hard to outrank them, if possible at all?
    assume that they are very large ecommerce sites..
     
  10. LBrown

    LBrown Senior Member

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    I don't do on-page seo (blasphemy!). Well, that's not quite true; I make sure the keyword is in the title and url and at least once in the text. I don't optimize images or or do h2 tags or any of that stuff. I think that a perfectly SEO'd page is a blatant signal to google that you're trying to game the algorithm (blasphemy again!). I rank fine with off site SEO and I hold my position pretty well. In my opinion off site is a much more important ranking factor.

    As far as how long it will take to rank, no one can answer that question.
     
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    xxf8xx Supreme Member

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    Just do both. Onpage SEO only takes all but a few minutes to tweak articles and put in some bold keywords here and there. Anyway, I think they are both equally as important to do.

    Cheers
     
  12. eterxx

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    You have to do both to get a high ranking
     
  13. jon_xx_x

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    Yay for misinforming everyone!!!!1
    Really? Because I have a domain that's a PR4, ranking #2 and #4 for it's targeted (med/high competitive terms) that has almost no on page SEO, is a one page site, with three broken links to other pages I was too lazy to finish.

    I have another page that didn't even have the keyword in the title and ranked highly for another compeitive word. I added the keyword in the title and it made no change.

    You people need to stop reading outdated articles from 10 years ago.

    This. Put in your title, h1 and/or h2 tags, maybe an image, and you'r done.
    You think google is going to say "This guy has about 1000 more relevant links to his site, but this guy used the keyword two more times in his paragraphs and bolded it, this guy's site is obviously better".

    On site SEO is fine for sites with almost no competitors, but once you get into anything even mildly competitive, incoming links is all that matters.

    Time to wake up people, it's 2011, not 2001.
     
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  14. crashdi

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    it is very hard to rank high with bad on page seo.
    i had a page for Katy perry niche, nuked that page many times but i was not in top 200 for desired keyword. (site is 2 year old)

    than i found, i misspelled Katy in meta title. (used kety :eek:)
    as soon as i fixed that, i am in top 10 :)
     
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  15. jorfam

    jorfam Registered Member

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    Personally, I think off-page SEO is far far more important that on-page, though on-page is still important. But if you think about it, google's whole algo is based off the idea of website popularity. How else can a website be deemed very popular, and thus important and relevant in Google's eyes, unless lots of different people are linking to it? Links are votes! More votes = better.

    Yes on-page matters, but not as much as links. However, both are ESSENTIAL to any effective SEO campaign
     
  16. scotta

    scotta Registered Member

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    Obviously depend on how hard the keyword is. I have ranked on terms with 40,000 or less searches a month with everything from Free blogs to yahoo groups with zero off page SEO. I have knocked ripoff report off the first page with zero off site seo on all the sites I used for it in a couple of days. So yup, both is best, but you might test with just onsite SEO and see what happens ... you might be surprised :)
     
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    vamos rafa Registered Member

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    off page 90 percent i guess, onpage 10, just need to make sure title is right and once in bold, dont concentrate on density :D
     
  18. boosters

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    This 10 year old method is still working and all of my 3 ecommerce and blog are in top position specially in 1st in google.
     
  19. jon_xx_x

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    So you have zero links coming in, just 100% on site SEO? Congrats, guess I'm wrong.
     
  20. redmoon

    redmoon Regular Member

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    On page SEO is real important if you have an authority site above you in the rankings. You also need off page to keep your spot if your lucky enough to get good rankings with just on page.