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On Page 1 Of G, but can't climb up - please help!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Cindy, Nov 28, 2011.

  1. Cindy

    Cindy Power Member

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    Hi, first off I'm not new to SEO, a have some sites (10+ years) that rank very well for some hard keywords.

    The problem is with a couple of new sites that I have built, all with 100% original content (written by me) with 700 to 1000 words per page. I used Stealth Keyword Comp Analysis (used to work fine but seems like it's not working any longer) and traffic travis for the keyword research.

    All of the keywords were either "Amazing" or "Great" in SKCA and either "Relatively Easy" or "Easy" in traffic travis. I used AMR to blast a couple of general articles (Where the keyword would randomly be in the title, resource and anchor text). This showed me that a couple of the pages were easily ranking on page one (from positions 7 to 10) just from that blast.

    I then wrote and spun (original and human readable) articles for EACH of the rest of the keywords that weren't ranking. From there all pages were ranking on the bottom of page one for their respective keywords.

    Here's the problem, I can't seem to get them to move up! I've tried bookmarking the article backlinks with BMD, getting blog comments directly to the pages with SB and blog comments to the article backlinks. I've also used a directory submitter.

    And I can confirm that using the old method of scrapeboxing AA lists to your article backlinks actually seems to penalize the page, as I had a page that was at position 5 on page one, and I blasted a few AA lists with SB to only the articles that link to this specific page and it's now at postion 15, while all of the other pages have held their same positions in G.

    What can I do to rank in the top 3, as these should be easy to rank for keywords?! Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated!

    Thank you.
     
  2. GoogleAlchemist

    GoogleAlchemist Regular Member

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    Interesting, I'm finding benefit from using sbox to hit my various levels of links, though I'm hitting a mix of all of them together, not just my amr blasts. Maybe it's just a bit of a temp dance on that particular url you mentioned. Keep an eye on it...

    I would just say keep doing what your doing, do what you did for your older currently top ranking sites and that you did to get your new sites where they are now. Just more of it and keep on diversifying as much as possible. A more expanded 'quality' first tier beefed up with 2nd+ tiers (as ridiculous as you can manage)

    Be very proactive with indexing all your links.

    And it could just be G taking longer these days to account for anything...whether its domain age, or link age, or something else.

    Good luck, if you'd like to brainstorm some more just drop me a pm or we can hop on skype or something.
     
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  3. ytterium

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    Did you try high PR do-follow contextual links?

    Cheers,
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  4. Cindy

    Cindy Power Member

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    As far as contextual links in AMR (wordpress articles) yes, or are you referring to something else like wiki links or something?
     
  5. lineguy

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    Check out the sites that are beating you and start analyzing their backlinks. I'm sure you are familiar with the popular tools that do this.

    Where are their best links coming from? Start getting links from those same places. You can almost always get one, with either guest blogging, trading, or straight up paying for a link. Sometimes you just have to be creative to be sure that they have a good enough reason to give you a link.

    This also might help you see what type of links you are missing. If you have just as many articles and web2.0's as them, but they are connected to more authority sites, then you see what the most likely problem is immediately, and you know what you need to do.
     
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    No. A high PR page with your link inside the context. It should not necessarily be a homepage, can be an inner page too.You will have to find them, ask the webmaster to put a link in the page for a fee. It takes work and effort but pays off to push up towards top 3.

    Cheers,
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  7. SuperLinks

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    Yep - you need some high quality links to push your rankings
    up on page one.

    Old school methods used to work and competition used to be
    much less where old school techniques would be enough to
    rank a site.

    ....But things have changed and more competition using the same
    old techniques means that you gotta do that much more to stay ahead.

    Focus on high PageRank links, there are a variety of services that you can
    use from here. Or simply reach out and see if you can get some from sites
    in your similar niche. Some website owners don't have a clue about SEO
    and the true value of a link so they are free :)
     
  8. elvis1973

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    so where do we find some high PR contextual links? is there anyone offering a solid service on here?
     
  9. ThopHayt

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    Is he adding fresh content to his site? Or is it just a static site with typical on-page SEO?
     
  10. ytterium

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    You can find in the BST section for home page link but it on rental basis.

    Cheers,
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  11. cloakndagger

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    Moving into the top 3 quickly isn't easy,G doesn't work like that.I've had a site reach #2 in 4 weeks,that's my record in that time frame.

    High PR backlinks,scrapeboxing direct and to inner pages.It's not always necessary to add new content all the time because if that's normal in your niche e.g the sites above you are pretty static you're sorta standing out for the wrong reasons.

    I actually set up articles sites but for my own use only,everything is hand written nothing is spun.Yeah it's time consuming but the links carry alot of weight,ideal for when you need a push on page 1.

    High PR comments can be found with scrapebox,I don't even blast using AA blogs under PR2.Remember if one page on a site is AA there will be more pages and the chances are there will be PR2 pages.

    You need to work on web 2.0's get their PR up,few links,this way the links carry weight.Every man and his dog uses article directories so I'm guessing google can spot this a mile away.
    I'd never blast an article,they are not the best links and by adding a pile of pages that are full of spam and PR n/a you are probably actually lowering what little value they have.Look at it this way if an article suddenly gets 2k of spam links,it's saying.I'm spamming this page so you get my link and G is saying yep we found it and we don't like your technique.

    Articles can work,but I wouldn't go out my way to bring attention to them by blasting.
    Find 10-2o PR 2+ links and it'll actually look good to google.Even a genuinely good article that is not being seo'd is unlikely to suddenly get 2k of links to it in a coupl eof days.
     
  12. websitezbuilder

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    I had the same problem...Sitting at #7 for ages and got pretty much the
    same responses. From experience, I used secondeye's high PR profile backlink
    service (100 profiles) and went to #4 pretty much instantly and then purchased
    another pack from him (300 profiles) and shot to number #2 after that...

    The icing on the cake was when I purchased an article marketing package from
    MrE i think...No im sitting pretty at number #1 for high comp KW(s)

    Total spent ($120)
    Total top 10 movement (6 places to #1)

    Hope this helps...
     
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  13. Cindy

    Cindy Power Member

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    Thanks guys for all the input, and yeah I'm working on getting some high PR links now.


    Thanks websitezbuilder, was that for just one keyword (those 3 blasts / packages) or for multiple keywords?