OK Its been said enough... Here are some real questions, that I want answered and we should all be asking. And some facts. 1. Google didnt all of a sudden get a loss in traffic, their traffic still appears to be the same.. 2. Over the past few weeks ive seen dozens of posts about people getting screwed, but if point #1 holds true WHERE IS THE TRAFFIC GOING? 3. Has anyone had a traffic increase? We all practice our own tactics and strategies. Surely SOMEONE here must have had increases.. 4. Adding to point #3 not EVERYONE can be sooo badly hurt and with the obvious dramatic numbers that are being thrown around then there has to be some one out there thats doing just the opposite. 5. In your niche have you seen a competitor that you used to laugh at pass you? share the info lets try and gather what we can to figure out whats going on and get back to our roots. 6. In this ever changing era where a multi million dollar site is here today and gone the next us BHers pride ourselves on finding the new way around it. Ok so my 1 - 6 ended up being a brain explosion but I think that you all generally get at what im trying to say. So lets do this thing.. Here is my recent experience. I used to get sites indexed in about 1 hr.. Well i just bought 2 domains and after reading all this scary G stuff i tried a safer but still effective approach and behold still not indexed after 5 days.. I did HIGH pr in links and less then 200 pinged them and my site, RSS feed submissions to quality RSS. and a few hundred bookmarks. I also pushed about 250 Stat sites.. Normally i do about 3000 but with whats going on with G I was picky. I have NEVER experienced a site not being indexed for myself after 1 day let alone 5.... oh and yes meta, robots and onsite seo is done.