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Odesk Nothing But A Bunch Of Unreliable People

Discussion in 'Link Building' started by mikie46, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. mikie46

    mikie46 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Been at this for 5 weeks. Something i thought would take a week at max.

    Im trying to build my business and need to hire;

    Content writers
    Backlinkers

    After interviewing a bunch of would be candidates i chose a lady from Pakistan. I set the start date and though everything was a go. On the day she was suppose to start i never heard from her not until i sent two emails.
    On the 3rd day she tells me her son is sick in the hospital. Ok, no problem i was willing to wait. On the 5th day she tells me her son is getting better and she can devote 50% of her time to working for me. No response by the 7th day i terminated her contract.

    This position was still unfilled up until two days ago. I reviewed my list of previous hopefuls and hired another guy who was willing to work for me. He seemed like a cool guy. We agreed 40hrs p/w Fixed $$ amount. I agreed to pay him weekly. On the first day i hear nothing from the guy. Not until i send him two more emails trying to find out where he is. Then he sends me an email saying that he wants 50% up front. Err, no. Thats not what we agreed too. This is now the 3rd day and no reply.

    WTF!!! These people are so unreliable? Am i hiring from the wrong country? Pakistan and India? Should i be hiring those who work for for an agency? What is the problem? Why do they agree to something then never turn up to work?
     
  2. imserious

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    MAy be the rates you are paying are too low.

    You get what you pay for.
     
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  3. Knoxgates

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    I had the same troubles with Odesk. Stopped using it. I m using BST service providers who cares about their reputation and does provide good service.
     
  4. keytenx

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    well they are just not that committed enough on the job they are given to them. :)


    P.S.
    If you still need a backlinker shoot me a PM. Currently looking for a job right now. :)
     
  5. mikie46

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    My rates are standard based on what many IMers are hiring for. If they are too low why do they apply and beg for the position?
     
  6. mikie46

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    Do tell me more.
     
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  8. gatra

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    No expierience in the IM niche on oDesk. However, i freelance there for wordpress/php jobs.

    Anyway. I do talk to my customers via email a lot during the project. And with the ones i talked till now all said they have the same expierience with odesk as you. But then again, they paid only $50 for a wordpress site (installation, theme coding (not designing!), additional plugins written). Thats why they gave me a shot (And i charge for the same task at least $500) and all where happy to find something reliable. Also i'm from europe!

    So it depends on how much you spend and who you choose.
     
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    It REALLY depends on how much you are paying.

    If the pay is too low(even if its what others are paying) then good candidates will pass you over.... and you get the losers responding to your job.

    I get a better response and people at freelancer.com

    just remember... up the pay a bit... and you will lower the frustration.
     
  10. marusia

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    I don't haggle on the pay, I give them what they asked. I have had the same issue. Hired three different people, told them I needed them to start asap. Days later they will start and work 1-2 hours at a time. :-/
     
  11. virtual.indiano

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    Why do you have to brand two countries with two people? There are many Indians and Pakistani people who work professionally. We are in large number on this forum and we are through professional.

    As for your case I think you are paying a low rate and you expect them to communicate during your working hours. That could easily be mid-night for people in the sub-continent. So my advice is hire someone who can work in your pay rate and in the same time zone. This seems like IMPOSSIBLE isn't it? So higher your rates and find some good talent.
     
  12. gatra

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    I once did a freelancer search for a customer (because i couldn't do the job). It was quite a long post, but after about 1 or 2 minutes i got 3 replies. 1 pakistani, two from india. The replies where nicely written but i could see they didn't even read the first sentence of my post. So i talked to them and i didn't get any reply i could understand because of their bad english. This was enough for me to just skip all applications from asian countries and go for west-europe, and north american applications only.

    Doesn't mean all asian workers are not professional, but there are so many of them who just aren't.
     
  13. LBrown

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    A lot of people have a problem when they hire just one person at a time. That is a huge gamble. I always hire a half a dozen at a time knowing that five will quit or not meet my expectations. I've gotten a lot of great workers who have worked loyally for me for months and months. And I don't pay particular high wages.
     
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    I use Odesk alot and have been very successful. You have to learn how to weed out the unreliable applicants. I have found a few good and reliable people on their. I typically work with people who have 100+ hours and preferably go for those over 500 hours if possible and a rating of 4 or above, that way you know they have a proven track record. Most of the people I hire are on skype everyday all day LOL, so we have alot of communication with them. I wouldn't give up on it just yet if I were you.
     
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    I used freelancer.com a lot but recently stopped because of their fees. On oDesk I had mixed success. Some are definitely not worth the money and I spend more time on following up and checking on them than what the task would probably be.

    As some mentioned before it might be the pay - I also tried higher rates and it seems that the better-paid are also more committed to their work. Still, I always try to do fixed price deals and pay on results or pay on a certain target. Hourly rates usually start well and after a while the "productivity" drops a lot ...
     
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    And are you sure you paid the same price? Common who are you trying to fool?

    Anyways I hope Op gets some good people who will finish his work soon.
     
  17. orlandolongwood

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    I've had decent success using Filipino outsourcing. Though it does take a bit of patience and consideration. Try:

    Code:
    http://www.onlinejobs.ph/
     
  18. gatra

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    In my opinion (as a freelancer), it's fair for both sides to do some upfront and some after completing the project. I always do about 40% upfront, 60% after completing. (I too did 100% upfront if the client doesn't have paid anything on other jobs before). Also, I only work for fixed pay. :)
     
  19. theonly1

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    You gotta be patient!When i need something done,i always give my self 2 weeks to preselect the people,who are bidding if the work is long-term and requires time and dedication.Most of the time,workers must be trained,but as long as they are willing to work and are motivated,things run smoothly!
     
  20. gatra

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    Same price as what? I offered a pretty high rate (because as i said, i'm a freelancer myself and i don't even look at projects under $500) so this was defenitely not the reason.

    To give you a deeper look:

    I set a budget of $1200

    The pakistani offered something about $1300
    The first indian about $1200
    The second indian about $1000

    So they still wanted a shitload of money. I ended up hiring a guy from germany for $1150

    Also, if i am on the employers side there, i LOVE to spent some more and don't have to follow the contractor up the whole time but do know he does his work.


    Sure later there where offers for $500 too (the lowest i think was $200), but what do i care if he can do it for $200 when i have to follow him up, say everything 20 times because he doesn't understand my sentences and so on?

    As i said, there sure are reliable indian and pakistani workers, but there are so way more who are not professional in any way.