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Not Going to Be Homeless Soon, but Might Be Bankrupt. Please Help me Brainstorm.

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  1. Noah Hawryshko

    Noah Hawryshko Senior Member

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    NOTE: I'm going to make this as straightforward as I can. I'm not asking for sympathy, money, or anything else except advice from others who may have thought of something I didn't

    I'm 19, just got out of college and was interested in learning IM a couple months ago when I started. I devoted a budget of $1,000 to IM so I could learn the ropes. I fully expected to lose all of it and still do, I consider it the cost of learning different methods and experimenting with different services, good and bad. Since then, my funds have dwindled down to about $400.00 and I realized I needed a job, so that I have a constant source of income while I learn and experiment more.

    Here's where I feel trapped. I don't have a license and live in the middle of nowhere, still with my parents (I'm 19). Nobody will let me drive their car so I have no experience and can't get a license even if I wanted to because I'd fail. More than that, I can't get a car because I don't have a couple thousand dollars to buy and register one, which I'd need a job for. For any job I get, I can go at most a couple times a week if it fits in with my parents schedule, but there are no jobs available during the day time that I'll be able to hold steadily, As I'll explain right away.

    In short, the only jobs that I can do are ones that I'm interested in. Judgements and other thoughts aside, you're going to have to take my word on this one because it's extremely hard to understand if you're not experiencing things through my shoes and dealing with the way my mind works. I've worked multiple jobs in the past and they simply don't last more than a couple weeks if I don't care about them and am only doing them for the money. The job I have NEEDS to be one I'm at least somewhat interested in, otherwise I'm going to end up hating it and then quitting, just like what's happened before. I literally cannot hold a job if I'm just doing it for the money.

    So, I like jobs that involve primarily interacting with people and jobs that involve primarily interacting with technology. I've applied at every computer store in town and nobody is hiring. I've also applied at a place where you work with people who have intellectual disabilities, which is something I've done at camp and in high school. I enjoy it immensely. They have positions available, but they're only at night time when my parents can't drive me. All day positions are filled up everywhere in town that I'd be interested in working, and all night positions are unavailable to me because I can't get driven to them. I can't move to the city to work the nights because I can't get money for an apartment because I have no job.

    I've been trying to scout out more computer stores and trying to brain storm other "social" jobs, but I haven't been successful. I'm at a total loss as to what to do. I'd be happy to clarify any points that may lead to further ideas and conclusions. I just don't know what to do.
     
  2. elavmunretea

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    I'm not going to be one of those 'clever' twats who will tell you to use the search bar, because, I have to say, if it was that simple everyone would be successful, and the methods would be ever more saturated (They already are).

    Depending on where you are living, I am assuming US, but could be wrong, I would say getting a job in some sort of computer shop would be good. Here in the Uk there is a huge store called PC World, and they have a sort of mini-shop inside, where you can talk to pc 'specialists'. 90% of the time I am guessing it's just grandma's asking how to connect to their WiFi, so I would say it is a pretty easy job. If you are looking more online, you could work as a Graphic designer, Programmer, anything along those lines. The first thing I did was Copywriting, and it's going fine for me. By no means big bucks, but it is enough to buy a car, move out, and get a real job.

    Hope that gives you some useful ideas :)
     
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    Maybe try the license for a motor scooter? Is it very far from the town?
     
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    Just sent you a pm
     
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    since you're living with your parents you're covered for food and shelter and since you have an internet connection and a computer you don't need any money to start, you can do a lot of things online to earn some money, from writing articles on iwriter or fiverr or a lot of other places to getting hired as a freelancer, check the bhw "for hire" section there are a lot of people neding small service.
     
  7. Noah Hawryshko

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    I can program and have done graphic design before, but I'm by no means good enough at either to do it commercially. Can you tell me more about copywriting and how much a good copywriter can make? That's just manually spinning text, right?


    It's about an hour to ride there on my bike, and on top of that it's maybe another half hour to get to the other side. I may be wrong about the second one.
     
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    I get what you are saying, it's a tough spot. Here is my advice, this is what I did to get where I am right now:
    1. Get a night shift job that comes with as little responsibility as possible, for example hotel front desk (people sleep at night so you can basically do whatever you want).
    2. Do the IM stuff you have passion for at night. Build your future while you get your salary from your job.
    3. Banking with IM? Quit the job.

    It might not be suitable for everyone, I'm sharing this because this is what I did. Hope it helps. GL mate
     
  9. Noah Hawryshko

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    Got it, thanks.


    I'll be sure to do that. Is there any way I could write for 10+ dollars an hour?
     
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    Swallow your pride, buy a used motor scooter, and go get a job. Your life is in your own hands. I'm three years older than you, I work 50 hours a week, and I do IM on the side. YOU are the decider of your own future. Go make something happen.
     
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    Thanks for that advice. I agree, but I can't get the job opening that I talked about at night because I can't get into town at night.

    I was thinking about buying a scooter, but I don't think it's legal to drive them on the streets in Canada without a license. I may be wrong, and am looking into this also.
     
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    Why don't you invest 97.00, get Jr VIp, invest another 30.00 and open a sales thread for writing?

    I'd be surprised if you did not make 10.00 an hour there.

    Had you been closer to town I was going to suggest your bicycle but an hour and a half to the far end is a bit much because you still have to come back and 3 hours a day is work. Had it been 2 hours total instead of 3 I would certainly suggest that as I can easily do that and I'm 3 times your age.
     
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    Noah Hawryshko Senior Member

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    You may not be far off! I was thinking about the headquarters for the job just now, not the actual job site. There are job sites all around the city, and I could request one near my end, build up a bit of stamina, and try to shave 10 minutes off the travel time. I'm also looking into this scooter thing.
     
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    You can get a long way with $400. Take the night time job, buy a tent (shouldn't cost over $50) and camp somewhere close to work.Eat, clean and shower at work. Work for 2 months or whatever until you can afford a licens, then save some more, buy a car, save some more, buy a house, save some more, buy a girlfriend etc...

    Nothing is easy in life and not all of us are born with a silverspoon in our mouth. So stop wining and be a [email protected] man!
     
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    Man the fuck up.

    That paragraph is utter and complete entitled bullshit. You need to realize the difference between "literally cannot" and "literally will not". I mean goddamn, you clearly have parents who give enough of a shit to drive your ass to hypothetical work a few times a week. You're already ahead of the curve compared to most.

    Don't want to get off your ass and do something that you consider beneath you? Fine, but don't come to us to solve your problems. As Greg said, buy the Jr. VIP membership you made multiple threads about, buy the sales thread, write some good ad copy that stands out, charge a premium for your high-level writing skills, wait for approval, and hope for some clients. You can write well, now do something about it.

    At age 19, I knew a lot more than you, especially regarding internet marketing. But I was stuck at college with no transportation method for at least six months. Want to know what I ended up doing that semester? I got a job at the library stacking books. It was manual labor, and I wasn't getting paid worth shit. But guess what? A job was a job. I had a girlfriend to keep happy and savings to pad. IM took a fourth-level backburner to school, family, and work.

    That's life. Get on your bike and ride to town, find a gym and take a shower and put on a suit. Bring a stack of resumes on nice paper and in nice envelopes. Go to the front desk and leave them with the receptionist. Then get a job, get your ass back on the bike and support yourself.

    Put the damn Pokemon Go down, get a job, and be thankful that you're not being deployed to war or supporting a child.
     
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    You have a moderator giving you advises men. Take them :)
     
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    Alright, I have an idea guys, let me know what you think. As much as I'd like to do online stuff right now, I need to start making at least minimum wage very soon, and my lack of experience in IM at this point means that this minimum wage needs to come from a job in real life, (or writing, as BTB suggested). What if I take the last $400.00 of my IM budget and combine it with what's in my bank account to rent an apartment in town for 1 month? I can budget food and damage deposit into that and probably still have enough money to last for that month.

    I could bike to work because it'd be at most 20 minutes away, work my ass off for that month and come up with the second months rent from the first months earnings. Then, I'm on my feet because I have a job and rent money for next month. Provided I keep my job, I'm good, right?
     
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    I would land a job first, then do that.
     
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    At 19 that is certainly something I would consider BUT you'll need to exercise some discipline in the event that the job is not to your liking. You said above that you only last a short time at a job you don't like.

    How about this for a job:

    Be at work at 4 AM Saturday and Sunday and work until about 3 or 4 PM as a baker's helper. You would be lifting sacks of flour that weigh 100 pounds much of the day, making donuts using a large fryer that is open and hot as all get out, folding dough into different configurations so that it could be baked or fried for the customers, being the do boy for two accomplished bakers and at the end of the day taking a scraper and on your hands and knees scraping the floor at the end of the day.

    You have to get up at 3 AM to get to work and you have to either walk or ride your bike as your parents are still sleeping because you are only 16.

    Oh, and the pay is minimum wage.

    I did that from the time I was allowed to get a job outside of the family business (16 years old) and kept that job until I went off to college. Hated it to the ends of the earth but kept it because it was a job.

    You need to grow some discipline into your life and do stuff you hate so that one day you can do stuff you love.
     
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    Noah Hawryshko Senior Member

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    Like I said, the part about not being able to keep a job that I'm not interested in is something a lot of people won't understand. It's not that anything is beneath me, it's that there are certain ways in which my mind works differently than yours. Over PM I'd be happy to explain exactly why this is, but I'm not about to broadcast my differences to the entirety of BHW. If you'd like to know more, feel free to PM me.

    Aside from that, BTB has never been wrong as much as I've talked with him, and I've likewise seen how knowledgeable you are also. If you're both telling me to open a sales thread for writing, that's likely what I'm going to end up doing. Thanks!
     
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