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Not getting any closer to the top even with good links

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by iliketurtles, Oct 9, 2009.

  1. iliketurtles

    iliketurtles Regular Member

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    I`m in the credit card niche in another language than English (not gonna tell which). I`ve built a shitload of links, all with good pr. 1 link from each site, same anchor and url. Now, there`s this guy on #8 who have like 22 links. I used to be on #9, but now I`m on #17 with 150 links or something. What`s that all about? Does it matter that my anchor is on another language than the websites I get links from? Not sure what`s going on here..
     
  2. samlexton

    samlexton Newbie

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    Dude, google seo's algorithm has been programmed with a lot of paranoia, so it's in a constant flux just to piece of webmasters and keep us guessing what works and what does'nt. Last year, I had a squidoo page with only two backlinks and i was ranked #2 for an overly competitve keyword for "evista" which was getting around 3000 searches per day at the time. Made a total of 12 grand in commission for that week out of pure luck

    And

    The ones i worked hard for to get ranked never even got indexed

    My advice is, use squidoo, there pages are already optimized, just fill it up with enough content to keep your leads focus away from clicking on squidoo adsense ads.
     
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  3. Rhianni32

    Rhianni32 Junior Member

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    150 links isnt all that much and its not everything. Linking is only part of the equation. Press releases, on site SEO, quality of the links, age of the site, quality of the content on the site. Just to name a few of the factors.

    I don't know for sure but I would guess that the language of the anchor text is important related to the site that its on and also to the site it points to. Otherwise it looks kinda spammy because you have text and a link in a language different from the audience of the site which is what google is interested in catoring to.
     
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    Rhianni32 Junior Member

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    Ug I hate squidoo and I see it as nearly worthless. Are you currently getting good use out of it from new lenses? Half of them that I make never even get indexed by search engines and squidoo is like a damn popularity contest you have to get others to vote you up.
    On the other hand hubpages and infobarrels with the same content works great.
     
  5. samlexton

    samlexton Newbie

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    i only used it to spam for parasite tendencies but sometimes, squidoo cantake over your page when good amounts of quality hits starts coming from the search engines. So if u get a message like, please reconfirm your password or please help fight spam and reconfirm your password, u can just forget it.
     
  6. iliketurtles

    iliketurtles Regular Member

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    I only have high PR links, from 3 and up, but I guess a PR4 link from a site in the same niche is worth more than some random PR4 link?

    I do have content, but I should probably add more.. But I have only a few pages I want the audience to see, is it possible to put content in some page that the reader dont have access to? Will it for example help my ranking to put content on a page I dont build links to? I use my anchor "crappy stuff" and link to mysite..com, but put content in mysite..com/content. Will that help me ranking for mysite..com?
     
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    bloodyshark Registered Member

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    I tried everything for one specific word and just could move from place 15 i basically gave up, this week i decided to place a few craigslist and backpage adds and i move to position 6 for that work.. go figure
     
  8. iliketurtles

    iliketurtles Regular Member

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    Strangest thing.. I really dont get it. On the other hand, in another niche I`m on #1 for like 20 of my main keywords after just a coupla weeks of link building. Haven`t done anything except building links.
     
  9. Ravager

    Ravager BANNED BANNED

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    Did you compare the domain age? Domain age is also taken into consideration during ranking. Have a competitor analysis and find out all what is done by your competitor. Do the same what your competitors do and even above their standards in a qualitative way.
     
  10. miccy

    miccy Registered Member

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    Yeah, agreed with Ravager, the age is really an important aspect in Google's point of view
     
  11. iliketurtles

    iliketurtles Regular Member

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    My domain is just a coupla weeks old.. My competitors are a coupla years.. But can this be the reason why I just stop climbing on the ranking?
     
  12. iliketurtles

    iliketurtles Regular Member

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    Something else I came to think of, anchors. I just read somewhere that same anchors on different urls was bad, and so was different anchors on the same domain.

    Example, as I understood it:

    myurl.com ---> anchor1
    myurl.com ---> anchor2
    myurl.com ---> anchor3

    ..and...

    myurl.com/page1 ---> anchor1
    myurl.com/page2 ---> anchor1
    myurl.com/page3 ---> anchor1

    Both of these two are bad, are they not?

    But what about this one:

    carsarecool.com/bmw ---> bmw
    carsarecool.com/porche ---> porche
    carsarecool.com/mercedes ---> mercedes

    Different urls AND anchors.. How would that turn out? Sorry if it`s a lame question; I cant seem to find any logic in Googles shit, that`s why I ask..
     
  13. poisonsembrace

    poisonsembrace Registered Member

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    It's not a sprint, it's a marathon. Don't give up just after a few weeks. These things take time and if you approach it with a long term business mentality, it will serve you much better.
     
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  14. iliketurtles

    iliketurtles Regular Member

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    Dude, I`ve been doing this for over a year, with several domains. I rank #1 for everything I`ve ever tried ranking for.. Now I`ve run into some kind of pickle, and I`m asking for advice; maybe even correct some mistakes I`ve done in the past, for example my link building..
    I appreciate the cheer-me-up, but I would appreciate an answer to my last post even more.. ;)
     
  15. Silversten

    Silversten Junior Member

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    I'm having the same problem, I have a page with close to 100 PR 5+ backlinks along with about another 900 low PR backlinks and im still getting outranked by pages with less than 100 backlinks.

    Its just about age, content, and authority in google's eyes.
     
  16. iliketurtles

    iliketurtles Regular Member

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    Bumping this, I really need an answer to my post. Not the last one, but the one before that..
     
  17. jamestan

    jamestan Newbie

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    No one can solve your problems when you don't want to reveal anything to us.

    It is like patients asking doctors to diagnose them simply by telling them i am sick and nothing else?

    There are plenty reasons why you are not ranking better:

    1: Link Velocity (Problem for new domains or pages. You can drop very fast if you cannot keep up those backlinking speed)
    2. PR of your links (esp links that appear in homepage are very powerful)
    3. Anchor Diversity
    4. Keyword Domain
    5. Age of Domain
    6. Poor internal linking structure
    7. Poor on page factors
    8. Where your links are placed...Contextual links are worth a ton more than footer or standalone links.

    * I could list another 10 more...!

    You are on your own pal ...no one can help you...

    Trust me...whatever people telling you are all guessing work and not to the point
     
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  18. iliketurtles

    iliketurtles Regular Member

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    What do you me to "reveal" then? I dont want to reveal anything? How the kcuf can I "reveal" anything when I dont know what to ask for or about? I`m not looking for some magic solution here, I was just hoping you guys could help me out, perhaps even by asking me questions where the answer might turn out to be my problem..

    1: My link velocity is fine. I build links on a steady, dayli basis.
    2: I use Pauls and Angelas links. Kinda high pr, mostly 3+. Not a lot of homepage links there..
    3: I`ve got a shitload of different anchors.
    4: I do have a keyword domain.
    5: Only a couple of weeks. I understand this is kinda important, but can that thing alone keep me from getting to the first page? It`s not THAT much competition in this niche.
    6: My linking structure is good, I believe. I guess it would show up on Webmaster Tools if the site was slow or my links were bad/broken/whatever.
    7: Note sure what you mean. If you mean onsite optim. I think it`s as good as it can be.
    8: Think I`ve ran into some language barrier here, my first language aint English.. Where my links are placed? You mean a credit card link on a site about credit cards is better, right?

    "...no one can help you..." What`s that supposed to mean?
     
  19. Guaji

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    There are many reasons that you may get back down, you said that your domain/site is a few weeks, and you have built 150 links? For me, that is too much in just few weeks. Another reason, is that your site/domain have been lowered the authority. I have a site that keep happens like this, just wait a little bit (may be weeks or months) and don't stop there.


    Keep creating content and backlinks, wait for few months and if there is no changes, make another site.
     
  20. Riposte

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    You claim you've ranked #1 for everything you've ever tried, yet here you are wondering why a 2 week old domain isn't ranked #1 yet?

    Are you serious?