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Not fully understanding the concept of building backlinks

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by brainst0rm, Jun 13, 2014.

  1. brainst0rm

    brainst0rm Newbie

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    So I've been doing some reading on SEO and everything it's comprised of on BHW. But there's one thing I still can't fully wrap my head around, and it's the whole "building backlinks" thing. Now let me say that I do understand the fundamentals of it; posting in forums (with links to your website), blogging and writing articles (or having someone else do it) that in some way include a link to the website, social bookmarks (still not entirely sure what constitutes as a social bookmark),and getting listed in directories.

    Now what I don't understand is how I see all these services advertising things like "10,000 quality backlinks" or anything of that nature. If I'm understanding correctly, those theoretical 10,000 backlinks consists of a combination of all the previous methods I mentioned earlier. How is that even possible? How are quality articles,blog posts,and all that other good stuff just generated instantly out of thin air without being spam?

    I'm only asking this because I'd like to start gaining some experience building my own backlinks, which as far as I'm concerned entails everything I mentioned. But how in the world would I churn out 10,000+ backlinks (articles, posts,social bookmarks, etc.) by myself?

    I'm sure this can be explained quite easily, but the concept just isn't clicking quite right with me just yet.
     
  2. nickeberle

    nickeberle Regular Member

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    Don't worry about volume if you do it yourself you can do a lot better. Aim for these three things quality, relevancy and diversity.

    I do health niche work exclusively so I actually write articles for major health publications and link out to my websites (sometimes I have to pay sometimes it is free) as long as you link with your brand, bare URL, official website etc. most of the time and never repeat a keyword more than 5-10 times ever.

    Beyond that I just use my real name and the sites url and make good comments on super relevant blog posts (never more than 1-2 a day).

    I have sites ranked 1-3 for single keyword searches using less than 60 links. Low competition I have done it with as few as 10 real relevant and quality links.
     
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  3. islandman1010

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    You are talking about people that use Senuke or GSA which are bots which can post thousands of articles and blog posts with links back to a site in a few days or weeks or months depending what people choose. The problem is that if Google spots this then your site is going to be deindexed pretty quickly.
     
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  4. futurestunner

    futurestunner BANNED BANNED

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    Please use these

    seo-hacker.com/learn-seo-online-seo-school-basics

    moz.com/beginners-guide-to-seo
     
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  5. leobar

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    Quality > Quantity

    Manual job is better, bots are for chum n burn.

    SEO is not only backlinking.
    Backlinking is a very important part of SEO but there are many other components you need to check also.

    Good luck.
    Leobar!
     
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  6. brainst0rm

    brainst0rm Newbie

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    So overall I'm definitely getting the quality over quantity vibe from this haha, which makes sense. Now I at least have some solid direction, I'll definitely be checking out those links futurestunner so thank you for those. But back to the whole quality over quantity. That just leaves me with one big question, why are services such as Senuke or GSA so heavily used and popular if in essence...they suck? I see a ton of popular gigs on Fiverr which mention using those services, so I'm sitting here wondering how these people are profiting from that if quality beats quantity in the SEO world.

    Personally, my goal is to start my own website/seo/social media business hence my sudden interest in better understanding SEO. Anyhow, I'm just curious if it's worth using a solid combination of both manual backlinking and automated (sensuke, etc) backlinking for potential clients. I guess a better question would be what are the distinct pros and cons. I understand manual backlinking allows for better and more efficient backlinks essentially, but then again why would services like Sensuke even exist if that were the case? Which produces quicker page ranking results (I'm leaning towards manual in most cases)? Last which situations might call for an automated backlink building service over manual?

    I apologize in advance if I'm bombarding you guys with nooby questions, but these are the questions I couldn't come up with a distinct answer for on my own after reading through some threads on here. In the meantime, I'll still be doing my research and checking out those links.
     
  7. Techxan

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    A backlink is essentially a vote from one website to another.

    Since they count as a vote, people figured the more the better.

    So they started building a bunch of links and people being lemmings, everyone followed suit.

    Backlinks have different value that they deliver to a website they point at based on the metrics of the site the link is coming from and the PR of the page it comes from.

    DoFo**ow links pass both page rank and some domain authority, and NoFo**ow links pass some domain authority but no PR. Both pass a little trust factor. We call that "link juice".

    Domain authority is a combination of things, and if you get a link from a high authority site it helps your site by adding authority to your site.

    So people started spamming links to rank their site.

    We are actually at the end of "Backlink Ranking" at this point in time. Almost every type of link has been devalued. At one time links from article directories were wonderful, not today.

    In fact the spamming has gotten so bad that almost all links are toxic or heavily devalued, but this is a recent development, and that is not a blanket statement taht covers all niches.

    We are at the point that the tools exist to create millions of links if you decided to, but the effectiveness of these links has been falling rapidly from month to month.

    Since most spam links are PR n/a to 2 or so, they have little value in the first place, and they mey be a devalued link.

    But even these links pass a little juice.

    Lets say a PR n/a link may be worth 10 points of authority, trust, and PR.

    The next level up, a PR 1 link, would be worth 100 points of "juice"

    Since the scale is exponential, a PR 2 link is not worth 1000 points like you think (100 X 10), it is worth 10,000 points (100 X 100).

    Now understanding this, if you need the link juice to beat a single link to a competitor, you need to build an equal value to their link in lesser value links.

    Suppose I ranked a website with 1 PR 2 link. If you were going to beat me with PR 1 links you would need to build 100 of them, if you were going to use PR n/a links, you would need 10,000 with the scale I have set here.

    To compound the issue, all sorts of variables affect the value of the link, the most important of which is the links relativity to your site.

    So if you build a site and get a few high authority related links, it is quite possible that you will rank it with a dozen links. I have a PR 4 site with less than 800 links rankling across multiple keywords.

    If your links were PR 3 and above and also related, a competitor will have to build thousands upon thousands of lower value unrelated links to beat you.

    Oh and by the way, these links are supposed to occur naturally just because your sites are wonderful. If you get caught building them, you site goes Bye Bye.

    Since many links can turn toxic, the tactic people use is to build a site separate from their main (money) site, and build links to this "tier 1" site. They then link the tier one site to their money site. This allows them to pass link juice to their money site by building links to the tier one site. Since this site's purpose is to serve as a buffer, if it gets a penalty, you simply unlink it and the penalty does not affect your money site.

    Needless to say you can buld as many tiers as you want, and to do so you need to be building links to them them constantly.


    You should NEVER use blackhat techniques for your client unless they have told you to do so. You are expected to perform your duties in a manner consistent with good business practices, or you can get sued. This means not doing (or getting caught doing) anything against the search engines guidelines.
     
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