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Not able to rank in Google

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by h@cker, Sep 23, 2010.

  1. h@cker

    h@cker Junior Member

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    MS Screenshot for my primary keyword.

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    It has been close to 28 days since I launch this site and I am still not been able to rank this site.All the pages have been indexed in google and it is a small 5 page site.The best ranking which i got was 250 in google and now it has got out of google(Google Dance).

    The domain is over 4 months old but is a .info domain.

    I have been creating some profile links,submitted articles to articlebase and also created some hub pages for it.But the total backlink count is 18 till now.

    Can someone provide me some guidelines on back linking strategy.
     
  2. h@cker

    h@cker Junior Member

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    Cmon guys pour in your advices.
     
  3. h@cker

    h@cker Junior Member

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    Everyone seems to be too busy.Guys I need your help.
     
  4. wkrappen91

    wkrappen91 Power Member

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    You already found what you were looking for when you postet this.
    "Read the forum" is the answer to all your questions
     
  5. bakxos

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    if you have 18 backlinks then you have your answer i suppose.

    Try to create some web 2 properties. Write a 500words article and spin it. Submit it to all of them. Create a small pyramid that point to your money site. If you have created hub pages etc, you already have some.

    Then start building backlinks to the pyramid as a whole. What i mean is start building backlinks to your money site and more more backlinks to the parasites.

    Give it some time and report back.

    Before you do all that, make sure that your on site seo is valid and helpful. You could rank with the results that you gave from MS but make sure that your website represents the backlink campaign in the first place.

    Could you tell us what tools you use?If you dont have sb get it. Its cheap and good:p
    You could go to the marketplace of this forum and check some services.

    Dont expect to rank with 18 backlinks though.
     
  6. Disposable

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    1) Unless those 18 links are extremely powerful (and it sound like they are not), you won't rank in the top 100 for any meaningful keyword.

    2) Is your primary keyword in your domain? If not, this is a big handicap against the strong domains that you are challenging.

    3) You have 5 pages. Your lowest competitor has 68 indexed.

    The problem is your expectations. The days of "if you build it, they will come" have long since past. Work your butt off building backlinks. When you get 500 or more indexed links, you will see whether or not you can rank against these competitors.
     
  7. konst666

    konst666 Registered Member

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    1. Add more backlinks (not only to main domain but to other your pages too). 1000 BL min.
    2. Add more pages
    3. Wait
     
  8. edgematch

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    Not agreed with 1 and 3. IMHO they are not so much important as your domain name. So, "#2" may be the answer for your problem. I have a domain, with just 2 pages, 5-10 backlinks residing on page 1.

    There are thousands of sites with a single page even scoring #1 on SERPs. They have one thing in common: keyword in their domain names. So please do not tell this guy "You should write additional posts, 5 is not enough".

    For backlinks, they are very important but not as strong as domain names.
     
  9. thedorf

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    I agree do not keep building pages. It sounds like you are not building right in the first place so why keep doing the wrong thing.

    Learn about onpage SEO title, h1, h2, keyword density,files names and image names match up with keyword...
     
  10. Yukinari84

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    In your case, it looks like the the sites in the top 10 are all considered authority sites in Google's eyes.

    All the spots except for #10 have a domain age of 8-14 years, they all have a shitload of backlinks to the domain as well pages in indexed within Google.

    This should tell you that these sites have a lot of weight in Google's eyes.

    It's probably not impossible to rank, but with a small 5 page site that is a .info and 4months old, it's going to be a difficult.

    I would recommend you try ranking your secondary KWs first.
    Start off at the bottom and build your way up.

    I disagree on what some of the others say about not building pages. I would recommend you build pages for your secondary KWs, and add some good content on there and of course follow standard on-page SEO procedures.

    Use those pages to link back to your main domain with an anchor-text link that is your primary KW. Then I would promote those secondary pages.
     
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  11. Disposable

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    1) It certainly *seems* that right now having the keyword in the domain name is a big ranking factor for Google. (I say *seems* because no one really knows what are the ranking factors and their relative importance.) At this time, I always try to get a domain (or even web 2.0 site pages) that includes the keyword because they seem to rank better. In this we are in agreement. We do not know if OP has the keyword in the domain name and I have assumed that he does not wish to start over with a new domain.

    2) I have seen several sites with ONLY default WP installations ("Hello World" as the only post) but having the keyword in the domain name and no backlinks rank on page one of Google. Some of these little buggers have been discussed here at BHW. But, none of these ranking oddities have occurred for truly competitive keywords. To rank for competitive keywords you are going to need more that 18 backlinks.

    3) Yes, you can rank at the top of the SERPS with a 1 page site. (I have a few of these myself.) But OP is facing competition from authority sites based on the age of the domains and number of links. If you are going head to head with an authority you will need more than a couple of pages AND/OR more backlinks.

    4) Ultimately OP presented very little info. I was simply analyzing some relevant factors.

    • 4 month old domain vs. years old domains (can't do anything about this)
    • new site vs. authority competitors (28 days to displace not reasonable)
    • .info domain vs. likely .coms (can't change without starting over)
    • keyword in domain name vs. unknown (can't change without starting over)
    • 5 page site vs. thousands (need to build more to become authority)
    • 18 backlinks vs. thousands (definitely build more)

    My advice cannot be characterized as "You should write additional posts, 5 is not enough" any more than yours can be presented as "get the domain with the keyword and forget about linkbuilding or any other SEO techniques". Even if OP started over and got a domain with the keyword in the name (and he may already have it), he will still need to build backlinks to rank versus these competitors. A domain name by itself is not "the answer for your problem". My conclusion that OP's expectations are out of line and that he needs to build more backlinks is a sound conclusion based on the data presented.
     
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    Dude you´re trying to fight chuck norris using a teddy bear.
     
  13. Disposable

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    Amen to Norris vs Teddy :buttkick:
     
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    Judging from your screenshot, I think you need at least a couple hundreds links (probably more unless some of them come from decent PR pages) to have a chance to rank in the top 10, 18 will get you nowhere.
     
  15. h@cker

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    The keyword is in the domain and those 18 links are from PR4 to PR8 sites.Many of them are profile link.

    I have started building hub pages for getting some link juice.

    Total backlinks now stands at 25 and google serp has increased.

    The ranking is now 100 for primary keyword from 250.
     
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    in my opinion - .info

    .com would do better all other things equal

    As I say though - IMHO
     
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    Hello Mate,

    Hope this will help you out..

    Before increasing the keyword rank, we should see that the keywords that we are going to optimize are all competitive keywords. This would assure us that traffic would be flowing to your site after we have successful increase it rank. This is called keyword analysis.

    After doing keyword analysis, we should increase the keywords density on your site. Also adding h1 tags on the main keywords would be helpful.

    Changing the site description would also be helpful and we should assure that the description could attract visitors.

    Above are all what we call SEO ON PAGE and now we go on SEO OFF PAGE.

    SEO OFF PAGE would help us on how to increase the keyword rank. Keywords are rank based on the value and the number of links created. Below are the series of steps in gaining links.

    1. Check competitors sites Backlinks using SEO MOZ tools and see if we could attached our links to some of those.

    2. Bookmark the site to top 50 bookmarking sites

    3. Creating 200 do follow profile links

    4. Doing 50 directory submission

    5. Submitting articles to top 50 article directories

    6. Creating blogs on 50 free blogging sites

    7. Creating web 2 pages such as squidoo and hub pages

    8. Researching and Emailing related sites for link attachment request and sometimes requires payments and extra work for site owners

    9. Creating fan pages on social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter