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NOOB questions about Private Blog Networks

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by alvin.orrt, Jan 29, 2014.

  1. alvin.orrt

    alvin.orrt Regular Member

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    Let's say you have a small network of 10 websites. Like everyone recommends, there are no links in between the sites in the network, all content is 100% unique. But unlike everyone recommends, all the sites are hosted on the same server, on the same ip, same nameserver (maybe different whois for each).

    If there are no links between the sites, how would google know that you own a blog network used for ranking purposes and not 10 simple separate websites if you don't post links to your money site on all blogs in the network, at the same - and say you post on the first 2 sites during month 1, on the next 2 websites during month 2 and so on... I mean, one can own multiple websites with similar topics (not identical, just similar) and not get wacked by google but i thought this unique IP thing was over a few years ago...
     
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    I think that if Google sees your 10 best links coming from sites on the same IP it's not hard to figure out. It's not natural. For example a shared host normally has sites on a million different topics. The chances of two websites linking to one other one off the same host are pretty much 0 unless your site is huge authority like Amazon or Wikipedia. Given that it doesn't happen naturally, we generally assume google will realize this is unnatural behaviour and therefore manipulative link building by a Web master.
     
  3. tonymu

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    you could pass each domain through cloudflare or similar :) google will not see the same ip then for each site
     
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    I have my own network into the 3 figures and i always try to have different c class ips etc. Your way will prob be fine for a while. But what if your manually reviewed your get burned pretty quick. Why do all the hard work for that to happen!

    There is a host out there that you can use there reseller package get 5 different servers and lots of different c classes as well as being easy to manage. If you want to know just pm me. Spend an extra few hours now and it will really pay off..
     
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    Are the nameservers different on this hosting? Pm me with the info as well.
     
  6. alvin.orrt

    alvin.orrt Regular Member

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    I think having different c-class ips is just a part of the problem/solution. What about nameservers? What if you have 20 different c-class ips for the each for the 20 sites in your network but they all have the same nameserver? wouldn't that be a problem?
     
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    alvin.orrt Regular Member

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    is this tested? i mean does it actually work or is it just a guess? in theory, this should work but do we know for sure that google can't see past the cloudflare ips and nameservers?
     
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    I personally rename them where i can. I have hosting accounts spread across the big few so i tend to make sure my nameservers are pretty diverse.

    To be honest not sure it would be a massive problem unless you have all your links from that one place. I would either get cheap hosting across all the big boys or change the nameservers its just a time consuming pain in the arse job.

    hope that helps.
     
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    I've just had a look and it actually seems I am wrong in my assumption, it would appear to be easy to find out the ip of a site using cloudflare :(
     
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    @moonlighsunligh - Yer you can change them yourself. Will ping it over.
     
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    Personally I would take the extra step to have only 3 sites per IP at most, and make all 3 have different topics if you can. It can be a extra step and a little extra money but if Gbot says hey this seems fishy and a manual review happens then your done so that little extra now, saves in the long run. I personally have a reseller account with a couple money sites and then I use VPSs for some tier 1's. I got them off lowendbox and try to geographically diversify them as well. I can put 3 sites on each VPS for $20usd a year and I have root and ssh access. You can do the same thing with a shared hosting account but I like the VPS route its a personal preference.
     
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    Is this true ? I know how cloudflare works but never used it.

    Do we need to change name servers of a domain to use cloudflare ?
     
  13. tonymu

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    it's not true no, I just tested on a site running cloudflare and found the ip address in seconds. sorry for the wrong info guys :(

    you do need to change nameservers yes
     
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    Good idea putting the effort in now will def pay off long run.
     
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    It is a bit difficult to find a $20 per year VPS.
     
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    If you are looking to make a blog network then why not just host it on separate IP's, you spent the money on the domains so you might as well spend a little extra on the hosting.
     
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    Thanks for taking the time to verify that :)

    So I need to change my name servers to ones I get from cloudflare, correct ?
     
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    If you have no outbound link then you are still okay.

    In fact, if you haven't been de-indexed then you are very fine..

    However, if you want to use them get different IPs.
    I guess that's were the problem lies for many people
    and exactly were made the entire stories sweet for the
    big boys who understand it.

    Stay away from SEO hosting, the nameservers have to be different too..
     
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    You can do this and get away with it for awhile but the issue is that all of your homepage links are being posted on the same network
    with the same IP Address meaning they will eventually catch on. The timing of posting the articles to your network with your backlink
    does not matter it is all still coming from the same place.

    -RK
     
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    You still need to be creative and get other links otherwise you might as well not bother. Use your network as a powerful ranking aid not the answer.
     
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