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Noob getting owned doing all the right things...

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by smukers, May 26, 2009.

  1. smukers

    smukers Newbie

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    Ok, So this is my first post, so please be gentle...

    I have done A LOT of reading on SEO and I'm going to share my existing game plan to see maybe i f'up somewhere along the way.

    1. I found a decent niche which I have some background knowledge of with with a few very good long tail keywords all under 100k pages.
    2. Signed up to CB and picked a product with relatively high gravity to promote - 100+
    3. Created a WP blog all with original content and keywords
    4. Built a decent linkwheel with keyword pages from hubpages, squidoo, blogger, etc. etc. again ALL with original content
    5. Submitted around 20 articles w/keywords to EZA, ArticleBase and Article Dashboard (all got approved, all original), even got a platinum membership on EZA (woohoo)
    6. Got a bunch of answers in Yahoo Answers (some of them even got selected as Best Answer, im even a level 2 user now...again woohoo)
    7. Submitted to a BUNCH of ******** and nofollow socialbookmark websites manually not to attract any undue attention.
    8. Submitted RSS feeds from the main blog page as well as rss from the linkwheel pages to a bunch of aggregators
    9. Posted to some niche releated forums with my sig

    Been doing this for about a month and after all this work what do I get?....fu*k all. I get MAYBE 30 visitors on my main page w/ about a 5% offer CTR on a GOOD day and so far only 1 freaking sale on CB. After writing about 30 original content, keyword heavy articles, submitting and building a solid linkwheel this is all i got....one measly stinky little sale? The local hobo makes more money recycling bottles. Where did I go wrong? :confused:
     
  2. MonoPuff

    MonoPuff Junior Member

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    You may be picking a niche that people are not interested in buying your product.. Or maybe the keywords you're targeting just are not "buyer" keywords.. Perhaps your landing page is weak, or the product you are promoting has bad copy
     
  3. LoboRsxS

    LoboRsxS Regular Member

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    troof. you gotta know what people want :rain:
     
  4. Jagged55

    Jagged55 Power Member

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    My God!! You mean you have been an Internet Marketer for a whole month and you haven't been able to retire yet?? What a loser!! How can this be when all those DP ebooks teach you how to make $25,484.49 overnight? :)

    Keep working at it...keep reading, keep building, keep testing. As MonoPuff said, there could be many things causing low conversions. Sometimes you can stumble into a niche that is a cash cow, other times it takes a lot of work to figure out how to sell it. Target many niches with many different approaches and teach yourself what works. Good luck!
     
  5. davioli

    davioli Regular Member

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    Think out of the box. All i'll say is you aren't doing any mass backlinking. What are you doing besides social bookmarking to your web 2.0 and article pages? How are you strengthening your links?
     
  6. davioli

    davioli Regular Member

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    People use SEnuke to achieve what took you a month to do. How do you make your pages different...how do you follow up with your links.
     
  7. shm03

    shm03 Regular Member

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    Traffic my friend, what you are doing is good, but SEO is a long process, you need to work for a long time, to get sufficient backlinks. Another thing you should be aware of is the google sandbox, if a site is brand new often google will put it in the sandbox and analyze it to see if it is just a spam site.

    What I would recommend is submit all your articles/link wheels/yahoo answers to social networking sites, something like senuke would be good here, this should do 2 things for you, make those pages linking to your site stronger in Googles eyes, making it more likely for you to rank, secondly it will get loads and loads of traffic although it won't be very targetted the people who click through from that onto your main page should get you some real traffic. Also you could try submitting your main site to social networks but your site is probably too salesy to get away with it.

    You could also try getting blog backlinks - I would recommend comment kahuna its free and its some really good software, these will give you some nice do-follow backlinks and some traffic as well.

    Something you should be proud of is that out of 30 people you got you got 1 sale, that is some nice preselling you are doing. Imagine you got 100 people per day, which if you rank for your keyword you should be getting if it is a decent keyword. That is a decent bit of cash there...

    Just keep up the work, in the beginning IM is the lowest paid job on the planet.
     
  8. LoboRsxS

    LoboRsxS Regular Member

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    TROOF
    my first week I only made $6 lol
     
  9. unselfishfan

    unselfishfan Registered Member

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    Hey smukers,

    I found the following advice helpful.

    "The great mystery is this: What do people want to
    buy? Face it...all the technical skills, all the
    traffic you could ever hope for, all the fancy
    product development tricks will NOT bring you one
    bit of success if you don't know WHAT your customer
    is looking for.

    So HOW do you get inside your customer's head...
    HOW do you read your customer's mind to find out
    what they REALLY want? Should you hire a psychic?
    Should you stalk them? Maybe hire a private investigator?
    HECK NO! The answer is A LOT less crazy...

    ==> Provide solutions to problems!

    Now, there are a number of effective ways
    to determine what 'problems' people want (or need) solved.
    An approach I often use is to do some 'stealth' keyword
    research based on a set of 'magical' words. They're
    magical because these words have the amazing ability to
    unlock the hidden information I am looking for in wanting
    to provide solutions for my customers...regardless
    of the niche I'm in.

    Here is a list of 15 favorite 'magical' keywords I use
    to reveal the hidden problems I may be able to provide
    solutions for:

    1. How-to
    2. Stop
    3. Cure
    4. Solution
    5. Answer
    6. Free
    7. Learn
    8. Treat
    9. Quit
    10. Help
    11. Lose
    12. Fast
    13. Find
    14. Deal
    15. Offer

    Plug these into your favorite keyword research tool or
    search engine and pay attention to the results. They
    will often hold the KEY to your next SUCCESSFUL product! "

    Use these 15 trigger words, and see what you get.
    Good luck!
     
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  10. shm03

    shm03 Regular Member

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    I guess i miseread/misunderstood what he was trying to do then... I was assuming he just wanted to try and get on the first page for "xyz review" or whatever. If you are just trying to get some long tail keywords, then it is about the volume as hexalor said, you need a large volume of niches. Then once you find the ones where you are earning a lot and getting a good ctr then you continue further with them and do what I said before.

    Sorry if I jumped the gun a bit.
     
  11. Keves

    Keves Newbie

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    Some good advice there mate.. New here but i would add one thing to that list.. look out for and avoid niches that have the first page or so of search results made up of the big companies like Amazon, Ebay etc.. advertising..a lot harder to get ranked well against co's like those with their huge budgets.
    I usually check the make up of the competition is smaller advertisers that i can compete against with some success. I usually look for under 25,000 competitors as well.. its a lot easier to get good results.
    As i said new here.. but hope that helps a bit.
     
  12. smukers

    smukers Newbie

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    Wow thanks a lot for the helpful tips! I am going to implement some of the advice here, and hopefully improve the situation. Good think I got this advice now and not 6 months down the road. Much appreciated!
     
  13. andylob

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    my experience is even worse than smurkes'. Done loads of original content, about 40 back links, spent 8m building site, learning etc, all that for 'profit' of about $40.

    I would say that small guys, like us, should focus on long tail, building blog-article rings and work different niches.

    This is not my site, but I personally think that this is how a good converting page should look like:
     
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  14. playboykizz

    playboykizz Registered Member

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    Wow thanks a lot for the helpful tips! I am going to implement some of the advice here, and hopefully improve the situation. Good think I got this advice now and not 6 months down the road. Much appreciated!
     
  15. Alex Brooks

    Alex Brooks BANNED BANNED

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    You don't become rich over night with internet marketing, honestly, stop beliving the crap they sell on digital point. Although if you want real money at a faster-rate, I'd suggest you don't go with this kind of marketing.