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Nofollow does not contribue anything in terms of SEO

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by PureMind, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. PureMind

    PureMind Regular Member Premium Member

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    I was one of the people who thought that nofollow did improve search engine rankings. Before Matt Cutts only mentioned in some of the webmaster videos that it didnt improve pagerank but 3 days ago this video was released and here he clearly states that nofollow do not improve search engine rankings:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnVEERmbdpo

    Do you guys think he is lying or should I stop doing the manual commenting to get nofollow links?
     
  2. homenet

    homenet Power Member

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    I wouldn't trust half the shit that comes out this guys mouth. Having said that I do believe that nofollow won't give you anything in terms of SEO benefit.
     
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  3. bennyb

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    if you continue jizz your spam links with xrumer or sb some ought to stick. It's a number game.
     
  4. Autumn

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    Well you can most definitely get indexed and rank for low hanging fruit when using n0follows only, which would indicate that n0follows do have some value. Just set up a few test domains and try it for yourself... Don't take what that shill has to say at face value.

    He has a vested interest in spreading the disinformation that n0follow doesn't count for anything because a) it might cut down on people link spamming and b) otherwise Google looks like they're not being entirely forthright.

    It wouldn't be the first time that Cutts has been demonstrably full of shit. I mean just look at the guy... He looks like a total kiddie fiddler. :D
     
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    M1ndfluX Senior Member

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    Just like autumn said, i get me brand new websites indexed within a day normally trough blog comments so i really don't think nofollow backlinks do not have any strength.

    Besides that i also rank high for many of my clients and my own sites only with anchored blogcomments so in my point of view they work.

    No doubt about that, whtever Cutts says...
     
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  6. lexblast

    lexblast Junior Member

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    Isn't the fact that gbots follow 'nofollow' links a huge hint for you?
     
  7. ScrapeBoss

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    Google does not always respect those "nofollow" tags. If you are always looking for do-follow blogs, I think it would take you a long time. Just concentrate on your blog commenting strategies and if you happen to get a do-follow among those other blogs, fine. If not, fine. Google would still follow even if those links are saying nofollow.
     
  8. mindmaster

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    I can't blive that no-follow links don't help.
    Think about it. Someone will click that backlink. And when it dose, google knows. So knowing how people get to your site, will surely reflect in google algorithm.
    I know that google consider a bunch of other things, but it ain't stupid to omit people behavior generated even by no-follow.
     
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    In the video Matt is saying that n00f0ll0w links do not pass PR and anchor value... for me when he specifies these two elements and NOT entirely saying that they have no value at all, it means that they carry some value.

    Beyond that, I have my experience and these links contribute for better SERPs.
     
  10. hellonwheels

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    I read an incredibly valuable post in this forum a few weeks ago. I have copied & pasted it below for you.
    In a nutshell, he said he got a page to #1 in Google with 100% NoFollow backlinks!

    He also said NoFollow links are relevant for fueling your position in the search engines.
    He said NF links pass link juice which fuels your SERPs position.
    He said D@F@ll@w links pass link juice to fuel your PageRank, not your position in Google.

    You may disagree with this but I think he's onto something here. Sometimes it's hard to accept new and
    different ideas but what if he's right?
    There has been a lot of controversy about the value or lack of value of Nofollow backlinks for many years.

    It's well-known that Yahoo and Bing follow and index nofollow backlinks.
    That's why we're able to see all those Nofollow backlinks showing up in Yahoo Site Explorer.

    In a way, I think he's right and here's why:

    1) He told us that he got a page to #1 in Google with 100% Nofollow links. I believe him.

    2) I personally know someone who has multiple pages ranked at #1 in Google by
    getting DF and NF links on Spam blogs (blogs with hundreds of backlinks).

    These links will not pass any PageRank juice at all but they appear to be passing link juice.
    Remember that links are like votes for your page from the linking site? Google likes these "votes" and
    rewards pages that get them by moving them up in the SERPS.

    3) What if Google DOES follow and count NoFollow backlinks and is just not telling anyone that they do?

    4) What if it is disinformation from Matt Cutts that Google doesn't follow NF backlinks?

    5) What if Google really doesn't or can't follow NoFollow links back to your page because they have the
    "NoFollow" tag in the link BUT Google DOES count the link somehow because there is a URL in the anchor link?
    (yeah I know this is pretty far-fetched).

    6) What if a link is a link no matter where it comes from or if it has a Nofollow tag on it?

    7) They may not pass any PageRank juice but why can't they still pass link juice?

    8) I don't care much about PageRank anyway. I'm backlinking to get my clients' sites ranked at #1 in Google.

    Ok, that's enough speculation. If he's right, we all need to be testing what he says by getting all the
    Nofollow backlinks we can and seeing if they help our pages in the SERPs. That's the only way we're going to know.
    I for one, will definitely be getting Nofollow backlinks whenever I can.

    What if D@F@ll@w links are good links? Do you realize what this means?
    It means we can help our pages rank with Nofollow links and no longer shun them as worthless links!

    They can become our new best friends! They can become our "secret weapon" to Google rankings!
    The number of available backlinking pages will have just exploded exponentially!

    Here is exactly what he wrote:

    SERP - Search Engine Rank Position - This is where you are, like spot #1 or whatever for a term.

    D@f@llow - Passes Page Rank

    N@f@ollow - Does NOT pass Page Rank

    Google uses many algorithms in conjunction to determine how they order the results of a search.
    They are ordered via page rank, before they are reordered by other things.


    1. So if you are just trying to build page rank for the sake of it, then you need d0f0ll0w links.

    2. But if you only care about what position you are in the search restults, which is
    what drives your traffic anyway, then D@follow has little or no bearing.

    3. Links are links at that point, d@follow or n@follow.

    4. So I have pushed a page to Spot 1 on google for an excessivly high competition finance term all with nofollow links.

    5. Link juice is different then page rank juice. Page rank juice fuels page rank and search position,
    while link juice fuels you position in the search results.

    6. Not to mention Yahoo and Bing don't use page rank, so nofollow is more or less irrelevant to them.

    7. So its about mass links, or if you looking for edu links then high quality links, but I don't worry
    too much about n@follow, even if I am looking for High PR links, n@follow is still relevant.
     
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  11. Monrox

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    hellonwheels, that's lots of IFs :)
    I have just one: what IF the chance that a nofollow is counted is 3:1 and it is determined randomly? It will confuse everyone and nobody will be 100% certain whether and when they are counted or not. The only reasonable solution is to ignore the tag's existance and just blast.
     
  12. Bross

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    In 2 letters: BS.
     
  13. flibbertigibbet

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    Keep in mind folks, that a huge part of SEO is getting TRAFFIC. No-follow links are GREAT for traffic, and DO show up as unique links in webmaster tools if you use that as a method for tracking your link campaigns. ;)
     
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    Have been blasting with SB to nofollow blogs and there are results. So I say he's not telling something. :)
     
  15. Spectrobelle

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    On my sites it seems that the anchor text for no follows has little to no value but they do help just from the sheer numbers of them. They may help my main domain in SERP, but I had several subdomains that wouldn't rank on the anchor text until I had a few do follow anchors, sometimes one do follow link was all I needed after umpteen no follow blog comments were made. Makes it worth sorting them out in my mind.
     
  16. Jared255

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    Depends on where your link is... I have !!PLENTY!! of nofollow links pointing at a few of my sites from when I first got SB and referring site traffic is only like 3%.
     
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    Matt Cuts said himself it helps (at the end of video) just not as much..
     
  18. blackhataffiliate

    blackhataffiliate Senior Member

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    When it comes to link building, we need to be thinking about mixing it so that it looks more natural. Seems to me that G might find it spammy to have nothing but do follow links, just as it would having nothing but comment spam, etc.
     
  19. moozig23

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    I've been spamming blogs for some time, and I can tell it works.
    However, it hardly does anything.

    Better search for do follow blogs, there are quite a few tools that do it for you.
     
  20. hellonwheels

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    @Monrox: Yeah, lots of "ifs" but that's b/c not many people really know for sure about the effects of NF Vs. DF links...Matt Cutts does but he's not going to tell us everything. I agree with you: get NF backlinks too.

    @Spectrobelle: Thanks for sharing you own experiences! Tips like that are very valuable.