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Nofollow are really nofollowed

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by HarrisonHill, Jan 26, 2012.

  1. HarrisonHill

    HarrisonHill Regular Member

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    There were many discussions about this, and some people said that Google ignores nofollow attribute, follows the link and counts it in SERP calculation.

    I've added 2 links on my site using Pretty Link for wordpress. For one link I added rel nofollow, but for second link I didn't. After several hours I checked link stats and first URL which had nofollow attribute had 0 clicks. Second one, which didn't had nofollow attribute, had one click and when I checked IP, it was 66.249.71.169, which belongs to Google Inc.

    So that means that nofollowed links aren't followed. However, I'm not 100% sure about this, I have tried this with lots of URLs and none of nofollowed links received Google bot visit.
     
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    Good research. However, no-follow and do-follow link discussions have always been controversial. Some people say with guarantee that they have had good results with nofollow links.
     
  4. HarrisonHill

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    Nofollowed link was shortened, it was something like mydomain.com/something which was redirecting to the target site. So how Google knows where it points if it won't follow and check where redirect ends?
     
  5. HarrisonHill

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    You can't really test if that was nofollow link which helped. I think it's nearly impossible to get only nofollow links, because there are sites like whois sites, site value checker sites, updowner etc which automatically generate do-follow links which might be counted in calculating SERPs.

    And on the other hand, it's reaally hard to build only nofollow links. How you will do that? Going through all links and checking if it's followed or not? That's nonsense, you will miss and still create some do-follow links as well by mistake.
     
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    All the nofollow tag does is allow you to define how PageRank and authority is passed. It's a remnant of some Google updates that tried to stop commenting spam years ago. But Google has got cleverer now with internal page rank 'sculpting', so it's less effective for distributing on-site juice than it was. External OBL no-follows still stop the majority of 'juice' flowing away from your site though.

    But, it doesn't mean a link won't be followed for indexing or that it won't contribute towards organic rankings. They definitely contribute towards keyword-authority, and trust-rank when from high trust sites.

    You need some nofollow links in your link-mix - or it wouldn't look natural. And nofollow links from high authority sites are VERY worth having, as they still establish some sense of recommendation.
     
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  7. Mountaineer

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    Thats a very good approach having a balance of both type of links. The nofollow links from high PR social bookmarking sites have always made a positive contribution for me.
     
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    Google uses nofollow links for link discovery.

    For the purposes of giving linked-to pages credit for having a link, nofollow removes the benefits of receiving PR or anchor text, though nofollow does have some other benefits to it.

    Nofollow links within your own website architecture (linking internally) preserves all PR to flow through your d0follow links.

    Nofollow links that lead out of your website do not give the linked-to website credit for having a link (for PR purposes, but perhaps for link diversity purposes), however, nofollow links leading out of your site removes the ability for your web page to pass PR to other links on the page.

    To visualize it, if your page has $10 worth of "pagerank" and 10 outgoing links, 5 of which are external no-follow links and 5 of which are d0follow backlinks, the d0follow links only get $5 worth of credit passed through them (not the full $10).

    Therefore, if you're going to link out, you might as well use a d0follow link if you like the page, because making it nofollow isn't conserving any of your pagerank.
     
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  9. Getwhatchuwant

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    FYI my family;y has a restaurant fairly low comp in "city" all I did was a wiki blast of 200 or so links (the domain is at least 3 years old) and they went from not in the top 100 for "city" restaurant to #7. All the links were no follow, i checked them. Incendently it is one of only 2 actual restaurants showing on page 1. The others are more or less review sites or directory sites for the city/restaurant term.

    So it may not contribute to PR and such but they will help with serps.
     
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    I think a website gets a bonus for link diversity, the number of different IP addresses they have links from (even if those links are nofollow). There's some benefit that passes with a nofollow link, it doesn't pass PR and I don't think it passes anchor text, but it does pass some benefit.
     
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    I actually think it did pass anchor text. See the site was made by someone else. It uses mostly images like the menu etc...No where in the meta or HTML does it have restaurant "city" so there is no way a spider would know what the site is about. It is probably the least optimized site I have ever seen.

    i tried to get the user/pass to fix it but it did not work so the site is just hanging in limbo. The only way Google knows that the site is a restaurant in city is because I told it so via the wiki links.
     
  12. ILoveCSharp

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    no follow are definitely being followed. google following even not valid urls :D

    like thisismyasdasd.com/safasfas----

    If google see it tries to crawl it. It does it even have http or www or etc.
     
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    Why do you think that a nofollow link does not pass anchor text please? I am pretty sure that it doesn't pass PR but the anchor text is always a big question mark for me.
     
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    With nofollow, Google has a resource that no one is spaming to look at web site popularity.

    Do you really think that data is not being considered in the rankings?

    The very fact that no one spams no-follow links means each of them are natural links.

    NAH, Google probably never thought of that...

    Remember the only constant in SEO:

    Google will lie to you.
     
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    I disagree. Check out this test:

    http://www.socialseo.com/blog/an-experiment-nofollow-links-do-pass-value-and-rankings-in-google.html

    They bought 2 brand new domains - built around 60 nofollow links to them and watched as the brand new domains kicked ass in serps

    Conclusion - on Oct 27th 2010 nofollow links still really help you rise in organic rankings.

    I wonder if there is an updated version of this test somewhere
     
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    I have a site that jumped two page ranks in a year. None of the links show in G when you do a link:

    Draw your own conclusion from that...
     
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    You are right - Google doesn't follow nofollow links, but that doesn't mean they don't provide SEO value. I have done some extensive testing with my sites and high quality nofollow links (e.g. Wikipedia, EDUs) definitely have SEO benefit. IMO the point of the nofollow tag is to help discourage spamming. After all, with Panda and all, what does Google look at if not nofollows?
     
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    Inspite of the fact that google does not follow no links but still it has some SEO benefit.
     
  19. JerrickYeoh

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    i will not waste time on the no follow link because it do not bring much weight for the SERP effect . Unless the site able to help me bring lot of traffic or not i will most likely ignore it .
     
  20. Techxan

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    If you do not have any no-follow links your site will stand out like a sore thumb. No follow inks, and URL anchor text links are the most common link your site will naturally pick up on the Internet. You shoot your link diversity in the foot by not having these types of links.

    You would be surprised at the juice they pass, and they do get followed.

    I got a page indexed in 30 minutes with one single link from Yahoo answers, which are no follow. If the only link to that page was from yahoo and it is not followed, how did Google find my page and index it in 30 minutes?
     
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