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No BL, Top Google Spot For Article

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by nibbsbitt, Feb 22, 2010.

  1. nibbsbitt

    nibbsbitt Registered Member

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    Take a look at keyword "article publishing submitting" in G without quotes. The top link is an article on ArticlebaseDOTCOM. This article has over 30k visits and the author has claimed to make over 14k with it. I have no reason to not believe him but the money isn't my concern. What is my concern is the backlinks, and the fact that he is number one for a long time for that KW.

    The backlinks are pretty trivial, considering the fact that he has NONE, at least none recognized by G. So what is it then? I realize the domain has a ton of backlinks, so is it that plus the fact that he just lucked out and got the perfect amount of density for that keyword so that it is the most relevant link? Or is there some insider trading going on? What do you guys think?

    I see in Market Sam that for that phrase there is another article with only 1 bl that reads like a spun version of the other one. I am not asking what is right about this SEO optimization. I can see the techniques used, but they don't seem any different than many others that rank nowhere near as close. Very trivial.

    Jim
     
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    mrtenev Junior Member

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    The domain ArticlebaseDOTCOM is a trusted one and the article is a subpage of the main domain, so it definitely gets some nice link juice.
     
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    nodoubtgq79 Junior Member

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    if you work with angela pauls links you'll know a lot of them dont show up but your rankings increase

    that's why i love backlinks like that :D
     
  4. nibbsbitt

    nibbsbitt Registered Member

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    Yeah I read a lot about AP links, I hear about 50/50 mixed feelings about them though, plus there is just something that pisses me off about paying for backlinks, feel like I am cheating, I'll just use XR instead, because I am ethical.
     
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    I've actually seen some strange things like this as well... tell you about that later in this post...

    First; this page is on a trusted domain (articlesbase*com), and that domain has 486.000 backlinks. That will effect the article ranking.
    Second; from the Yahoo Site Explore it shows that this page has 8 backlinks alone.

    I think this is why it ranks so good.

    Ok, now I'm going to show you something that I don't understand:

    I'm from Norway (duhh, my nick gave me away?) and I want to rank for the Norwegian term for "search engine optimization". In Norwegian this is "søkemotoroptimalisering" (no spaces).

    It doesn't matter if you go to google*com or google*no (the norwegian google) and type in this term søkemotoroptimalisering, the site/blog I want you to look at shows up on both googles.

    On google*com: about rank nr.4 you see the site: (And this has been her at the top for over 6 months now!)
    Title: Søkemotoroptimalisering | Asle Skarpengland
    Domain: w3*søkemotoroptimalisering*org​

    Can someone please tell me why the fuck this is ranking at nr.4????!!!!

    Ok, it does have the main keyword in the domain but this is it!
    It has no backlinks, no PR, it's a new domain, and the competition is 102.000 pages!
    Look one spot down at ranking nr.5 (mesterweb*no), this has has PR:6, old domain (registered in jun 2004) and it has a ton of backlinks (7830 links!)

    Here's some data from my seo-toolbar for w3*søkemotoroptimalisering*org:
    PR: - <-- No PR.
    Age: - <--- It's a fairly new domain. It's been registered in 2009
    del.icio.us: - <--- noting
    del.icio.us Page Bookmarks: - <--- noting
    Diggs: 0 <--- noting
    Digg's Popular Stories: - <--- noting
    Stumbleupon: - <--- noting
    Twitter: 0 <--- noting
    Y! Links: 0 <--- noting
    Y! .edu Links: 0 <--- noting
    Y! .gov Links: 0 <--- noting
    Y! Page Links: 0 <--- noting
    Y! .edu Page Links: 0 <--- noting
    Technorati: - <--- noting
    Alexa: - <--- noting
    Bloglines: 0 <--- noting
    Page blog links: - <--- noting
    dmoz: 0 <--- noting
    dir.yahoo.com: - <--- noting​

    ... so why is this ranking so high??

    Anyone?
     
  6. nibbsbitt

    nibbsbitt Registered Member

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    Hi, just to make sure, do you have SafeSearch off and are signed out of Gmail and any other google service when running a search for that? I Know it may sound stupid but it is an easy thing to forget.

    Jim
     
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    nibbsbitt Registered Member

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    Okay, I hate to bust your nut, but that bitch is at numero uno now.

    Jim
     
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    Can't understand well.......If the answer relies on the well known domain name then why this particular article?the other articles also are quite thirsty to drink the juice.Is not it?
     
  9. tygrus

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    Probably if you analyze it you will find that article has just a few or no links, but the main domain has millions upon millions of them and the other posters are correct, that immense link juice is filtering down, but also because its probably not facing any competition.

    If you made a blog tomorrow with that article title as your domain and gave it a few hundred high PR bookmarks, you could likely take that spot and send that guy wondering where his next $14k is going to come from.
     
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    This isn't *strange*, it is normal.
     
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    Jepp. Not logged in to any google-thing...
    You see the same results right?
     
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    nibbsbitt: sorry to steal your thread here but I just found the same guy doing it all over again on an other niche term!

    The Norwegian term for "internet marketing". In Norwegian this is "internettmarkedsføring" (no spaces).

    And here he is at the nr.1 spot now!
    Title: Internettmarkedsføring | Asle Skarpengland
    Domain: w3*internettmarkedsforing*no​

    Ok ok ... here he has managed to get 1300 backlinks,
    but this is still also a new domain,
    and the top performer under him (mesterweb*no - the same site as in the example above) has has PR:6, has an old domain (registered in jun 2004) and they have a ton of backlinks (7830 links!)
    They should easily outrank him but they don't.

    LOL!! What the fuck is this guy doing to rank this high???

    Looks to me that he has cracked some kind of google code? :(

    I want to know what that code is! Don't you?
     
  13. nibbsbitt

    nibbsbitt Registered Member

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    Is okay, I don't care about threads and all that shit. Umm, yes like I was saying, Google can be very trivial, as far as I can tell there is no rock solid formula for definitely getting site a to rank higher than site b. Google has so many different variables going into its algorithm and it changes minute to minute. They probably have a like 73 9-year old Chinese kids working on their algorithm everyday.

    SEO is more like an art, not a science, but there are "categories" of things that will definitely benefit. Each category has multiple subs and then more subs and so on. Like yes, backlinks are good. But not too many in a short time, at least not from the wrong sites, but what are the wrong sites? Okay, authority backlinks are what you want. But since G decides what is an authority and what isn't, and they ain't giving away their secrets, it is a trial and error process.

    I forget where I saw it, but some dude wrote out a whole laundry list of what each SEO characteristic was worth in points, +5, or -2 whatever. Some of the things on there surprised me. One that some people may not know of is the over optimization penalty. Where your site gets a dunce hat because you have done too much SEO with it, everything is just a little too perfect. WTF?? Google encourages an atmosphere of SEO and at the same time gets upset because too many sites are "made for the search engines". Well, they want it both ways, which I guess they will get.