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New to CPA, Made 4 figures my first day faking the referrer... Safe??

Discussion in 'CPA' started by berzerker, Feb 24, 2009.

  1. berzerker

    berzerker Registered Member

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    I'm new to CPA but pretty familiar with email marketing, and have MANY very high quality email lists.



    Created site and sent first email today.

    Here's what I did... let me know my chances of getting busted.


    I created an incentivized site where each lead I sent to was completing 2-8 different CPA offers in a few minute time period from 4 different CPA companies (hydra, copeac, maxbounty, neverblue)

    All of the CPA offers were "free trial" types that averaged about $20 per lead (ex. Noni, Video professor)


    I faked all of the referrers to appear to come from all different blog entries I created using CPA redirector (advice from Brad1001 on a post that received a lot of positive feedback)


    I didn't abide by any of the CPA offers rules, as none of them were allowed to be incentivized... obviously I incentivized them anyway with my own regpath type site similar to many of the publishers ones.


    I can make an easy 20K a month using my site and method doing this with my lists... assuming that I do that what are my odds of getting busted, and not getting paid?



    If they say all of the referrers are from low quality blogs am I going to start receiving calls and suspicion of incentivizing since same people are filling out many offers?


    Any chance of just making the blogs look high quality and getting away with this, or am I destined to get shut down?


    Do Affiliate managers always stay on top of any accounts making any kind of money, and really analyze them... and are they aware of most people using these kind of tricks to hide the referrer?




    What's my best strategy at this point?


    All advice is appreciated.
     
  2. berzerker

    berzerker Registered Member

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    Two more questions


    1. Is it difficult to get approved as a publisher if I make a decent looking "Get a free product by taking part in a ton of offers" regpath site similar to most of the other one's out there?

    They all look so shady, and most of them look to never really lead to anywhere, just keep asking for more information or more offers... doesn't seem difficult but I really don't know.


    2. Assuming that people are going to respond to my post above with "you'll get shut down fast, obvious to them that you are incentivizing" would this strategy work if I join another 10 or so CPA networks, and just use only one free trial offer per network?
     
  3. bobbylove321

    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    You would DEFINITELY have a HIGH chance of getting busted if you're doing $20k a month. This is because the number is pretty high up there especially if you just joined those networks.

    I don't think the strategy would work if you had 10 cpa networks UNLESS you were doing small amounts with each.
     
  4. purplepeopleeater

    purplepeopleeater Newbie

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    I can't answer for certain. But your best bet is to cover your tracks.

    Send real traffic to your WH cover sites (buy it). Make those sites look as legit as possible (hell make 'em ACTUALLY legit if you can).

    And the spread out the offers, like you said over 10 or more networks. And then do a link rotation for the offers that are available over multiple networks. IE Acai Burn is available everywhere. Run it through 4 networks. Then you have $500 at each one, versus $2000 at one network.

    Those are just my ideas. But if you're spoofing to a white hat site, you should be covered pretty well.
     
  5. giantsfan0806

    giantsfan0806 Junior Member

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    yeah dude I would stay under 1k for each CPA company for the first month. And thats on the high end of the scale. to be safe keep it under 500.

    after you get your first paycheck, slowly increase your earnings.
     
  6. july23

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    bobbylove321 is right, unless you have at least maybe 10 CPA network,
    Then your maybe safe, network will not be suspect you .

    Good luck!
     
  7. berzerker

    berzerker Registered Member

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    so is the money made per CPA network the big "flag" to worry about, as opposed to the same people filling out multiple offers issue?


    If I stay at right around $1000 per network, and use the exact same strategy outlined above, is it pretty low risk?


    I planned on making the WH blogs look a little more high quality/legit, and if they were to ask just say that I have a newsletter list that trust my opinion very much and they were interested in every offer on my page.... and hoping that would fly.


    I just don't want to put TOO much effort into the site and blog unless I knew for sure that I would not have commissions revoked.
     
  8. ddasilva

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    The only problem I can see is if all your leads are low-quality and it raises a red flag to the merchant... If you're using incentives for free trials paying $20+, then chances are most of your leads are going to cancel before they get charged on the re-bill and the merchant will begin to lose money.... That's unless the people who are signing up for these offers don't cancel before they get charged like $50-$70 on the rebill (usually around 14 days)....

    If you send 10 leads to a particular merchant, and 8 of them cancel they're trial before the merchant can bill them for the full product price, it's going to raise a red flag in my opinion. But other than that, it looks good to me :cool:
     
  9. simplybebop

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    30% of all online first month recurring payments are because someone forgot to cancel.

    True story
     
  10. berzerker

    berzerker Registered Member

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    not too concerned about the people canceling issue, I pitch it just like all of the advertisers do... implying that it's just a "free trial offer" and obviously not mentioning that you will be rebilled.

    It's mainly the fact that it would appear that I am incentivizing or regpathing offers that specifically say are not allowed to be promoted that way, since most leads will be trying a few different trial offers.
     
  11. Longover

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    I'd say, don't ever send the same person to 2 different offers on the same network. Also, spend some good time making your blogs look legitimate and not shit. If you can make 20k, then invest some money if you have to to make those blogs look great...
     
  12. oscarslater

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    Hi berzerjer

    What longover says is true, one offer - one person - one network - in one day, always to be safe

    Cover your tracks with other free traffic to keep your conversions down, go to hXXp://www.stats*remote.com/programs.php and sign up for at least 30 networks.


    Use affspy and offervault to see the best offers and slowly build up your easrnings (both dot com)

    If you take ALL these steps you should be fine but still expect to lose some networks and earnings along the way

    PM me if you need some more help

    oscar....

    PS

    Well done on the figures by the way, you've now laid out a great way for someone to earn in cpa

    So to the rest of you, print this thread out, stop reading forums so much, copy the tactics and you'll make the same money - I can guarantee it
     
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  13. therat

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    Can you give us an example or idea of what someone is getting for filling out these offers?

    I also do incentive but have only done email submits

    I will give you one idea I'm going to try out is offering popular porn passes for free with the completion of a few offers. You can find these passes from doing a simple search.


    Oscar gave a great answer
     
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  14. berzerker

    berzerker Registered Member

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    To make it more clear - every single lead will be filling out multiple free trial offers, anywhere between 2 and 8.

    Thus far my average per person has come out to about $85

    Basically the site I set up is the same as most of the "submit" publishers sites, those "Get a free ps3,iphone,giftcard, etc...." where they have to do a few different offers and refer 5 friends to do the same in order to receive anything.


    Liek all of those sites I do it all legal, never deliberately lieing, but misleading them with clever copy that implies that they are just one step away (just a couple more trial offers) from receiving the gift... when in reality they have to do quite a few, which most people are not willing to do.



    so 90% will usually just fill out a couple of trial offers and not be willing to jump through all of the hoops to actually receive anything, but I'll still make money off of the trail offers that they did fill out.
     
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    I see, like the revolution script, well you got some good responses and you will do well so long as you spread out your offers over as many networks as possible and don't have same user filling out multiple offers on same network

    GLuck
     
  16. KHMNTCPR8

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    i got busted from 1 cpa company with only like 5 leads. they are in business too and dont want to get fucked over.

    they terminated my account and obviously didnt pay me anything, even my legit leads.

    personally i would always just play it safe, but then again this is bhw and i did do it like a noob at the time. but i would say your chances are almost 100% of getting busted eventually.

    make sure u know how sensitive the offers are that u are running, but i'm sure u know that already.

    just want to warn u cuz it sucks getting busted
     
  17. bigtay

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    You are probably going to get banned for the duplicate leads you have already provided. They might buy your email list idea, but a lot of the high-end leads don't even accept email marketing.

    If you want to do this right, you need to be in like every cpa network there is. Rotating ads in and out several times a day. Or just use incentivized offers and take a lot less money, but scale it up a lot more. That would be the safest path. Not as glamorous, but the closest thing to a sure bet.

    Best of luck.
     
  18. mraxe

    mraxe BANNED BANNED

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    Simple: Sign up to as many networks as you can. 30 is a good
    figure.

    Grab one each day. Make 1k the bh way.

    Then see which one sticks and which withers off.

    The ones that stay with you are ok with your method.

    Rinse and repeat.
     
  19. patgelose

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    you should contact them, be all like "do you guys mind if i blank my traffic? I had aproblem with my traffic being stolen so its something i like to do now" and see what they say. As long as your traffic converts for them theyre not going to do much if you talk to them
     
  20. q3ick

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    I suggest spreading it out among different CPA companies.