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New to all this and looking for some advice/opinions

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by Qyntius, Oct 23, 2013.

  1. Qyntius

    Qyntius Newbie

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    Hey there,

    My name is Qyntius, I recently started a website with no intent to make money, but while doing research on SEO and all that I got quite interested in the IM business itself. Two weeks and a lot of hours reading, and trying things later. I am still overwhelmed by all the information and I want to ask a few things to help me make sense of it all.

    First thing that confuses me is 'Keyword research'. Is this not just finding a popular keyword or phrase that people search for on the internet? Its treated and spoken of like some magical rare entity. I do understand the importance of finding a niche that is popular, profitable, yet not competitive, but why do we need all these tools and websites to find one? Can't we just brainstorm and look at trends ourselves?

    Secondly I liked building my website and doing the seo stuff, and I enjoy writing about things that I like; however, nothing that I like is profitable to advertise (VideoGames, Working out, Football). Should I focus on getting better with IM itself while doing things that I enjoy that are not profitable, then when I have more experience make some more greyhat, spinned, linkbuilded sites about things I do not care about, but are profitable.

    My last concern is the all the offers to take work of my hands (like those people who do keyword research for you), everyone wants me to pay for their services. And while they might do a better job than me, I wonder if its smart for me to miss out on the learning experience itself. Do you guys do all the work yourself (writing, graphic design, coding, keyword research, SEO optimilization, linkbuilding, Social Media refferers), or do you outsource everything and basically just 'own' the website.

    Ow I almost forgot! How important are backlinks? I am here trying to get legit backlinks from authority sites related to my niche, but how can that ever compete with those people who buy and create 1000s of backlinks. Am I forced to do all that linkbuilding too?

    If you guys have any tips for a newbie who is at loss of the opportunites presented, feel welcome to share them!
     
  2. SkyrocketSEO

    SkyrocketSEO Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Yes. But it is not just about trends, it is also about the competition and the "value"of the keyword.

    All this is profitable, just continue doing what you're already doing.

    The more you learn the more you will see what kind of services are better being outsourced.

    Important. Those guys that get 1000s of backlinks...well, those are crappy backlinks. I mean, if you can get 1000s of something..that can't be good, right? It's the quality, not the quantity.
     
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  3. Qyntius

    Qyntius Newbie

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    Ow that is great! Some people make it seem you can only make money with sites about: law, real estate, business, IM, insurance, health.

    That is what I am going with at the moment. Lots of time already put into it, hope its not all going to be in vain :)

    So if I have just a handfull of links from legit sites, I should be fine regardless?

    Anyways thanks for the feedback, all of this is good news to me :D
     
  4. jimmyr

    jimmyr Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    At least you chose the red pill, no going back now!

    Prepare to stay in information overload for a while, there's so freakin' much out there. But try to pluck out the gold nuggets.

    In the beginning stick with one website so you can work out everything you need to do as far as setting up your site to be SEO friendly (Wordpress + Yoast SEO), posting content, ways to make money from the site (affiliate, ad space, adsense) , building an audience, good links (not the 1000's of links you speak of) etc.

    Once you know what is going on and are making a little money you'll know what to look out for when paying other people for their services, and be more comfortable doing so rather than just taking a stab in the dark.
     
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  5. Aussie

    Aussie Junior Member

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    Rank your own site on you own if you want to be in IM game for long. You have to buy links though but knowing which links to buy when for what is the trick.
     
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  6. Jason Wolfe

    Jason Wolfe Junior Member

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    Hi Qyntius! Welcome to the complex world of IM :D
    A few things I've learned over the years:

    1. Do something you love and you'll never work a day in your life (cliche I know!).
    2. Quality is better than quantity.
    3. Delegate (or outsource) to save yourself a lot of headache and time.
    4. Never give up.
     
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  7. CredibleZephyre

    CredibleZephyre Registered Member

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    1 - Keyword research is good to find a niche but if you already have a website you already have a niche. You can still use it though, to see what kind of phrases people use to find your type of content. You can try to intuit how someone else would search but it's not always the same way you would.

    2 - those niches are very profitable. some of the most profitable niches are health (working out), entertainment (football), and finance... I know not video games but video games has a dedicated audience and can certainly be profitable as well.

    3 - Don't take many of those deals. Most of what those people will be doing is taking your $100 bucks, turning to fiverr for some cheap scalable technique and pocketing most of your money without doing any real work themselves. This is black hat world after all... Some of them will be legit but it's just too hard to tell at this point. Sky rocket had some good advice, the more you know and do yourself, the more you'll know what you should outsource and what you want to do yourself.

    4 - Get legit backlinks. Takes time but it's worth it. Unless, of course, you don't care about keeping the site up for a long time but I get the impression that you do. Some people getting thousands of links are pretty much counting on being penalized eventually but hoping to make some bank before they do.

    I hope I helped!
     
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  8. Big_0n3

    Big_0n3 Senior Member

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    OP Consisitency and targetted effort is most necessary to get success in IM. Learn from here and apply it to succeed.
    Good luck!
    :)
     
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  9. Qyntius

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    Thanks for all the replies guys. At the moment I am an European college student in the US, so I do not have a working visum. This makes for a lot of free time. Second I am in this for fun which means that I am in it for the long run. The whole IM business looks like a game to me, you try to min-max and experiment with certain factors to gain the best results. It reminds me of raiding in MMORPG's like 10 years ago, but with the added excitement of being able to earn money. Now provided that I will do my best to deliver quality content because I am trying to create/improve a community in a specific game, I should focus on getting quality backlinks. After doing some research on that it seems that I should contact authority sites to blog for them, establish relationships, and then later asks for a backlink, so that is what I am going to do now. Thanks again guys!