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New study on Tweets and rankings. How many tweets needed for 1st page results?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by dannistone, Apr 26, 2012.

  1. dannistone

    dannistone Regular Member

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    Branded3 just published an interesting study that shows that tweets really affect rankings. I guess almost everybody here knows that already!
    What about the number of tweets you need to rank exceptionally well?

    Their findings can be easily summarized as:


    • Get up to 50 Tweets, gain some rankings.
    • Up to 1000 Tweets, minimal gains only.
    • From 1000 to 5000 Tweets, gains are more significant.
    • 5000 and above Tweets catapult a website to higher position.
    • 7500 and above Tweets give you an almost guaranteed top 5 SERPs position.

    I guess we could trick those rankings signals by either making Twitter users Tweet about our money sites, or we could game them by having fake profiles do the same. Make sure to read the study!

    Study link:
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    http://www.branded3.com/tweets-vs-rankings
     
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    skywalker55 Junior Member

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    hey man. I read this article too and it backs up my own experiences in using tweets & retweets to masivly improve ranking on my adsense sites. Im currently building a web application to automate this process. Shoot me a PM if you want to be part of the private beta.
     
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    Back in a day, i had negative experience with tweets. 1000 Tweets posted per day to money website caused drops in SERPs on 200 positions. Go figure
     
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    Good info. I've used small bursts of Tweets (50-100 spread over 10 days - used an outsourcer for this) to move a #2 back to a #1 almost immediately. I haven't tested in mass quantity though. I wonder what the time spread was for the magical 7,500?
     
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    Very interesting read. I'll try some case study on this too. Thanks a lot.
     
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    Honestly I haven't seen any correlation on my sites with tweets. I've tried different sites and different providers and saw no gains.
     
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    Did you break the 7,500 tweet mark?
     
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    123yesitsme Newbie

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    Was that 1000 tweets from one account?
     
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    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    This isn't a study, this is a correlation examination
    Take a fresh domain, tweet it 7500 times, and get back to me when you're ranking for a high competition term...

    Correlation =/= causation, especially in the case of social media.
     
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    The other thing to bear in mind is that they are actually promoting their own Twitter/SEO service.
     
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  11. dannistone

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    I don't think we are supposed to play semantic games here about "study" vs "correlation examination".

    The website that published this study talks about the limitations of their study already. As far as Tweeting a fresh domain is concerned, 7500+ tweets from real Twitter accounts should catapult a site to the top via direct and secondary effects. Tweets will lead to blog posts and the new website will be deemed as viral.

    Start a quality site about "payday loans" and somehow get thousands of Twitter users to tweet about it using your keyword at the start of the Tweet. Even if you fake it with aged accounts and a natural / gradual distribution of tweets over time, it should work very well. No clue for how long you will remain high up using this technique.
     
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    dannistone Regular Member

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    True, but they are a big national British agency with huge clients such as Starbucks, Tesco, JPmorgan and Microsoft. It is less of a promotion and more of a "look at us, we are at the forefront of SEO research". And we have to give them some love for giving out their dataset!
     
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    Seriously? You must be joking. Go walk up to any actual scientist and tell them that correlation examinations are the same as studies, and the difference is just semantics.

    Ok, so you have some evidence for your claim this time I assume? 7500 tweets is very easy to fabricate. I have twitter bots that can literally produce around 1000 fresh accounts every hour. Just do that + a follow bot and start posting a crapload of stuff about your site each and every day.

    I'm willing to bet it will not rank you for crap, and definitely not payday loans.

    You could probably get at least 10,000 followers on each and every dummy account you make, if you constantly post interesting things with hashtags. Automatically of course.
     
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    It's pretty irrelevant how big they are. There's lots of SEO firms in the UK (and elsewhere), who charge inflated fees to big businesses; that does not make them experts in their field. They actually haven't give away any dataset of real value; there's no comparision of multiple URLs and multiple keywords or any competitive terms mentioned.

    Anyone who thinks that you can simply tweet a URL 7500+ times, and you can rank for a competitive term must be either very naive or not too bright. Feel free to give them as much love as you wish - I won't.
     
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    Phenomenal share! Thanks + rep! :)
     
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    Merriam-Webster defines research as "a studious inquiry or examination; especially: investigation or experimentation aimed at the discovery and interpretation of facts, revision of accepted theories or laws in the light of new facts, or practical application of such new or revised theories or laws". To properly do research of any kind you need to collect data, analyse them, interpret them and then report and evaluate your results. That's what they did for this article. It's miles ahead of most badly produced studies I see online, and it is actually more precise than many actual scientific research that I've read through when I was still in my academic years.

    Discussing about possible issues with their methodology and data is fine, knocking them down because they call this a study while you consider this to be a "correlation examination" (a methodology used for research) is wrong. The latter is what I call semantics. They chose these techniques; if you wish so, come up with a better method / technique and then go and use their data or your own data to get better / different findings.

    7500 tweets that look absolutely natural from non-spam looking accounts that lead to other accounts naturally propagating that message is not a simple task. Its quite probable that for extremely hard keywords you would need even more Tweets. After all most of the keywords used in this study were directly taken from the tweets themselves and are therefore naturally easier.

    I think that an automated system could rank your longtails easily. For a keyword like the example I used before you'd need more Tweets or at least it would affect your rankings significantly.
     
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    That's a ton of work and a ton of accounts if you were going to fake..somebody with the money could start a affiliate program that pays people to create accounts and tweet about your account..that would be the fastest way to do it with a system set up.
     
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    If your client can make million by using you, you should charge them inflated fees according to me. Nonetheless, they didn't create this dataset for this study, they used their available data to reach to a conclusion. Of course you wouldn't have competitive keywords since keywords are taken from the tweets themselves which are not controlled by them.

    I think you can definitely rank longtails using tweets; for extra competitive keywords you cannot just do Tweets but it should help if done properly.
     
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    No, my point is still being completely missed by you. I do have a MS (in Nuclear Engineering, not that it makes me an expert on the English language or anything) so allow me to explain variable isolation in studies and things of this nature.

    You want to test the influence of social media so this is the general procedure you would need to follow:
    1) Select a fresh domain, or a domain with backlinks that hasn't had any coming in for awhile
    2) Create thousands of accounts artifically on twitter and facebook
    3) Add facebook like buttons and twitter follow buttons to your page
    4) Automatically have your tool sign in and click follow/like for every last account
    5) Use automated tool to tweet at least 5 times per day about your site

    What is not scientific evidence or good proof whatsoever:
    Farming data about sites that are ranking and looking at twitter data
    Posting that since top ranking sites clearly have tons of tweets, this means you will rank when you tweet a lot, or they effect SEO at all.

    You do know what "cum hoc ergo propter hoc" means right?
    The answer could just as easily be that by attaining a top ranking and using twitter, that people tweet your site more... or that you tweet it more as a result of more SEO work and general social media presences..
     
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  20. -Jericho-

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    No I haven't. I just read the article and it has piqued my interest again. Now to find a vendor who can deliver that many retweets and test it myself.
     
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