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''New'' sites aren't ranking.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by RafaViQ, May 18, 2017.

  1. RafaViQ

    RafaViQ Power Member

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    Hi everyone.

    I have made several sites some weeks ago on some really low competition niches, they aren't even on top 300, they are no where. All sites are indexed and I believe, with good on page seo (kw density around 0.7%)

    Any ideas of what could be causing this?

    I haven't found a solution to this problem and it won't let me scale my earnings.
     
  2. bartosimpsonio

    bartosimpsonio Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Google's indexing is very very slow lately. I don't know what's up. Maybe they ran out of hard disks.
     
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  3. roki4ka

    roki4ka Senior Member

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    ahaha or money ;)
     
  4. danparks

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    These last few months everything with Google is slower.

    Reindexing expired domains, indexing new posts on existing domains, ranking (too any degree) very low competition keywords on new sites, the effects of new backlinks (even solid, good backlinks) aimed at existing sites.

    Personally I think it's a planned part of Google's most recent algorithm updates - adds a lot of confusion and chaos for us SEO guys. But that's just my guess.


     
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    Yeah... I have a theory about this. G just slowed down everything. Why? Because it has enough information for 99% of shit that people type in G search box. So why rush? There is no need for it. If indexing is slower, it means that ranking movements are slower as well (as they are). So when everything slows down eventually only guys with enough patience (yes and money, but not that much of a money as being able to wait) will be in the game.

    In addition to that, when everything is done in slow motion we are not able to quickly tell what works and what does not as it takes a lot of time to figure it out.

    So, yeah, I kind of understand why they decided to slow it down.
     
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  6. roki4ka

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    Not true. G is trying to update their information about everything as fast as possible, news are updated every sec - they must stay on the topic and crawl everything as fast as possible. There must be something else.
     
  7. bartosimpsonio

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    I think you're exactly right. They don't need to be so fast. And they have speedy crawling for news and trends on big sites so they just index big sites fast, but new ones get fucked. Unless you throw a pile of money into adwords of course, then you get speedy indexing.
     
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  8. danparks

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    Sure, Google can, and wants to, gather as much information as possible.

    That doesn't mean they have to apply that information quickly to the SERPs.

    They can hold back any information they want - add some artificial delay. Not saying I know that to be the case, but it certainly would make sense.

    We all pull our hair out saying "I just added great backlinks, I *know* I should be ranking now!" and Google says "What do we care if we rank you now, or in a week, or in two months."

     
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    I tend to disagree on this. Do you really think there is anything to be updated on niches like "hairstyles" or "gardening" or "home improvement"? 99% of the keywords are already saturated and have all the information that they need. News is different, everything else does not need to be updated so often actually.

    Not to mention that each category/topic has different hardness level factor IMO. I'm thinking of it this way, G really cares what information is provided when you are looking something about health, right? It should be accurate and not some shit posted spam. When it comes to how will you mow your lawn I really think that they don't give a fuck if you'll do it by hand by chopping grass or newest SuperTrimer 2982X.

    Exactly. :) Just trendy stuff from authority sources get indexed in minutes, why would they need to update anything else so fast any longer? Some guy just figured that out and they can even keep a bit of flaws in their algo that we find out eventually, but as long as it's algo as BTBs location says, it' can be played.
     
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    I've got a few sites that are still bouncing about quite radically from the 'Fred' update. I have a few others that definitely got an update hit on 26/27th April and again, have been bouncing since.
    I'm still positive that Fred was something more fundamental than just hitting thin/affiliate sites, but what do I know?
     
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    Are you ranking on Yahoo / Bing, OP ?
     
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    Sure there is something else. On one side there are the news sites and the authority ones, and on the other side there is what's left, namely crap sites, Adsense sites, mirco niche sites, and so on.
     
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    we can't say anything without looking it, might be some on page error ,
     
  14. RafaViQ

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    Nope. Google.
    I'll pass, thanks.
     
  15. RafaViQ

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    Thanks everyone for your support.

    I will wait more and see if it gets better.
     
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    Yeah, I'm having troubles indexing my links. Tried a few indexing services, not really working these days. Everything moves really slow. Guess we just have to wait?
     
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    How big are your sites that you''ve built? How many pages and words are you starting out with? Did you analyse the on-site of the top 3 or 10 and make sure you're delivering more than what they are?
     
  18. roki4ka

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    What are you saying? That new super cool hairstyle which 75% of Earth population will use won't be hot news? Everything changes don't matter if 1 billion ppl have a site about it or only 10 authority sites, everything change and google crawlers are trying to crawl as fast as possible everything and readjust the ranking if it is necessary - it's their purpose. This is valid for every niche.
    For example:
    This morning my poopoo was unpleasant because yesterday I ate too much spicy KFC and I wrote a unique article about it. And I have managed to get some quality guest posts linked to that topic and using my super cool PBN to get even more good links + using few connections to get 2-3 backlinks from very high authority news sites. And what google see... "OMFG this is some unique "shit" and look all these high-quality backlinks pointing to that article"... We better rank it top for the word "poopoo" (40k) because this must be super hot news.
    And they rank it very fast... end of story
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    No, this makes no sense to me. Only if some popular new hairstyle is trending, might make a bit of sense, but now it does not. If this was the case, simply every article put out there would rank for something (like in the good old days), as it would be new shit every day and all day long.

    Let me try to explain what I am referring to. Of course this is only my opinion it does not mean I'm right.

    If we take for example let's say "Paris Hilton", there is every day "X" amount of searches for her and there is decent amount of content for every search that you do related to "Paris Hilton" trending is regular without much of a movement up or down. Google is running in 1st gear for this. No rush. Content is there. Visitors are happy. All good.

    Now, if there is significant change in her life, such as Paris Hilton just got baby twins, that flashes news and every girl on the planet want's to see Paris Hilton baby twins and G trending goes nuts, crawlers will be craving for new content and all over the internet looking for anything related to Paris Hilton baby twins and reordering search results on the hourly/daily basis based of X number of factors to serve visitors. Google will be running in 6th gear with extra boost to make visitors happy as topic is hot.

    See what I'm talking about? This applies to every niche. What I've mentioned that does not apply to every niche is the way manual review is done and what goes trough more thorough checks and what not. From my experience so far, not every niche is the same to rank in (disregarding competition), just G wise.
     
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    Maybe they switched their hardware to rather maintain internal changes updates quicker in cost of external update speed?

    authority sites have all the link juice gathered already, so they publish new interlinked article and poop = top #1 - #3 next day

    considering that most automated links die very quick, then its a win-win situation - their crawling speed for good sites is quick, while they dont waste resources on crawling automated links