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New Premier Paypal Account without any transaction got limited. Please help!

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by obolang, Jun 21, 2012.

  1. obolang

    obolang Registered Member

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    Hi all. Just wanna share my experienced with Gaypal a.k.a Paypal

    I have set my premier account 2 months ago and verified with VCC (Non-AVS). There's only $1.95 on the account from the VPS seller to get the opus code. I made this account for my SEO business service so I leave it 2 months without transaction while I'm preparing the business.

    There's no problem happens until last night when I open my accound and there's notification that my account was limited due to the unsual login activity and also said that my account can't be appealed. FYI: I login through Hidemyass VPN and select my country network all the time.

    I email the support, but seems no reply so I decide to make a phone. First, I phoned with the operator and she transfered me to limitation department. Here are the summary of our conversation:

    Me: (I explained all the problem and asked why my account is limited for a detailed reason)
    Paypal: You have misused the TOS and we decide to limit your account and I'm so sorry I can't tell you the exact reason since it's our company --> file

    Me
    : But, it's a bran new account and I haven't make any transaction
    Paypal: what's you mostly do with your account? sending or receiving payments?

    Me: Mostly, I'll receive the payments since I'm planning to have SEO service so this account will cover all the received payment
    Paypal: I'm sorry we can't accept you to use your account for only receiving money

    Me: I registered to premier account, I think it's not a problem to receive and send money
    Paypal: The problem is not because of your account type. There are other problems that I can't tell you why since it's our company profile.

    WTF!!! --> Continue to asking

    Me: Ok, so how if I want to set other account using the same name?
    Paypal: I think you can't do so since all your data is in our database and we'll limit your new account

    Me: So, my name will be blacklisted in Paypal all the time?
    Paypal: I'm so sorry, it's our final decision

    Me: Ok thanks for your support....Phone closed...

    I just don't know why they did this since it's a brand new account and haven't made any transactions.

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    Besides, I wanna ask some questions:
    1. I'm planning to build SEO service. What kind of payment do you suggest besides Paypal?
    I have read that:
    - ejunkie require us to have a Paypal account to do transcation in Paypal
    - 2 checkout: We can do a Paypal transaction without having a Paypal account but the cost is very huge. I only offer <$10 service...

    2. I have had a personal paypal account under my parent's name for 4 years using my main connection. Is it allowed to create another premier/business type account in one ip address and name? But, I worried if in the future, there'll will be dispute case and finally all of my account is get limited.

    What do you think guys? Please give me some comments & feedbacks. Thanks =)
     
  2. kappa84

    kappa84 Power Member

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    Fuck gaypal, fuck it really hard!
     
  3. ozzke

    ozzke Regular Member

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    It's a wellknown fact that Paypal doesn't allow VPN connections, it happens even that if you go abroad and you log in from there, they will limit it. I have this from the FAQ of Hidemyass: "We offer dynamic IP addresses. Every time you connect to one of our servers you'll get a new IP address until you've cycled through all available IP addresses"
    Which means that everytime you logged in you got another IP and that's really really bad for Paypal, if you do (try to) use VPN with Paypal you need a dedicated IP that only you will use (at least to log in on Paypal).

    1) 2CO is pretty good and a lot of people use it here.
    2) Yes you can do that if they don't mind, ask them first though as sometimes you need specific info (like copy of their ID and stuff). But then be sure to use 1 dedicated IP and no VPN that changes IP...

    Sorry mate but the best option would be to go for another payment processor
     
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  4. obolang

    obolang Registered Member

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    Too bad..I don't do full research on VPN & Paypal. Is it also safe if I open a Paypal through static IP address since my main connection has been used for my main Paypal account and now I want to recreate one using local mobile modem that most of them will reset the ip address everytime we connect.

    Besides, do you think I can still open paypal account under my name? The customer service said I don't but I have read somewhere that if we close our banned account and create again; it's possible to have the new account with the same name. Do you have any experience of this?
     
  5. pinkpeggy

    pinkpeggy Newbie

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    there is a better way to do it without having issues. and its not vpn :)
     
  6. bumpywowus

    bumpywowus Junior Member

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    Call and talk to one of the supervisors. They limited mine and could not explain, but I said I wanted to talk to a girl higher up than her, and she sent me to a supervisor. She explained and resolved it.
     
  7. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    No you cannot but you could make a minor variation of your name and street address and sometimes get away with it.
     
  8. obolang

    obolang Registered Member

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    so what? please share =)
     
  9. obolang

    obolang Registered Member

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    what's the problem that make your account is limited? Hmm...good idea, I'll try it

    will this be a problem if I open the account with minor variatio of my name and in the future I want to withdraw the money to my local bank under my name (without any variation)?
     
  10. Exaggerated

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    Looking through the cause of the problem, unusual login. Have you tried cleaning up your computer for unwanted viruses? There might be keyloggers behind
     
  11. obolang

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    I scan my laptop with Kaspersky premium, so I think there will be no virus. I guess it's because of using VPN. But, i don't understand why they give permanent limited to my account since it's a brand new and have no any transaction made. Besides, they said my name is blacklisted permanently from their service. That's what makes me really pissed off!
     
  12. Exaggerated

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    The VPN provider must have been flagged
     
  13. kamaa

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    Most of these limitations are triggered by an automatic system thus you can easily stay under the Radar. Use another machine that has no paypal cookies or a virtual machine, Get a Vpn with a static ip, You can interchange your first name (You can even use the same name as previous) with the last name, Use a different address. Verify your account and start with small transactions, Dont hurry to withdraw the money after you receive my advice is give it like 24 hrs. Never clear cookies on this machine or login to another paypal account. Dont open emails from paypal with your normal IP unless you have disabled images and other stuff that can be tracked. Stay under the radar!
     
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  14. obolang

    obolang Registered Member

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    Wow..great & completed advice. However, I want to know why I shouldn't clear the cookies in my new virtual machine? Besides , I'm not fully understand what you mean by 24 hours to withdraw? Is it to let the account stay on 24 hours then I make a transaction or if I want to withdraw in the future, I have to wait 24 hours?