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New Fusion Mugshot game.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by JustUs, Feb 13, 2016.

  1. JustUs

    JustUs Power Member

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    I make it no secret that I have played a strong role in the demotion of mugshot sites in the serps, and in the anti-mugshot legislation in several states. With declining health, I have had little time to continue the fight to expose the con artists that create and maintain those sites.

    About a year ago I was approached by Fusion, apparently a subsidiary of ABC (so they claim), and asked some information and the methods I used to find that information. Initially I thought it was another attempt by the mugshot racket to social engineer me. I thought this because every time I pointed out information on my site addressing this, the site lit up with hits from the known central city and area that some of the operators live in.

    Tonight I was going through one of my email accounts and found an email from Natasha Del Toro at Fusion.com. Natasha informed me that they finally got the site up and the first video. Natasha is also seeking people that have been victimized by the mugshot industry, both those that paid to have their results hidden/removed, and those that refused to be blackmailed by the scam sites.

    The URL for Fusion.com and the video that she and her coworkers have to date is:
    http://fusion.net/interactive/252451/digilantes-mugshots-dotcom-investigation/

    Natasha and her crew are also asking for likes, tweets, retweets, and a discussion group on Reddit.

    Take a look at her video work. If you like it, speak about it on sites you frequent, tweet it, and post it on FaceBook.
     
  2. BreaknBrix

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    Crazy shit.

    So 10 years ago I use to check the NJDOC website after I myself was released from prison. And the reason I checked the site is simply cause I lived with murderers / rapists, both I and my family wanted to know which crazy bastards were being released and what time. There was 1 murderer who helped me with my case. He was a very smart man but also a psychopath. He got out. Started calling my mother drunk begging for money so we vamped up security, called police and got a gun.

    I also usually checked the escapee list. I think it's extremely important for the public to have access to records of violent & sexual offenders.

    Now I just went back to the site after IDK how many years. And I noticed this new prompt that says "effective August 2012 offenders will be removed from the database 1 year after their max release date". I don't feel very... um, good about that. You have murderers maxing out in prison being released after 10-30 years with no parole... and now their records are removed only 1 year after their max date? That's an unsettling detail to know. That now I can't find which murderers and rapists were released 366 days ago.

    Mugshot.com I don't know anything about that. Probably a racket of extortion, blackmail, etc against all types of offenders and those awaiting their hearing.

    It just seems like a neverending sacrifice in either direction. The less available you make these records the less extortion but the less the public knows who they're living by.

    edit: Ok, just checked out mugshot.com. From what I see they're broadcasting a lot of the more sensational cases. And a slew of people who've been charged yet to be convicted. I don't know the exact numbers but just based on life experience like 90+% of those charged with a crime usually plea down and are convicted to something of a lesser degree. But still convicted nonetheless. People who HAVE committed a felony have NO reason to pay anyone to get a photo taken down since thats public information. The real problem (guessing here) are false accusations? I'd really like to know why you've devoted so much time to this issue / if I'm on the right track.
     
  3. JustUs

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    Ok BnB, I will answer some of your questions.

    We will start out by saying that unless you have better than twenty years in, then I have spent more time on the shitter than you have walking the rock! Most of my crime fall into property crimes, you were either a jewelry or coin store and I liked your merchandise, or I broke into your place to steal data (computer crime). Both are about the same. Against a person like me, the hardware you hang on the wall is useless. Then you have the odd issue out where I spent ten months in Lansing courtesy of the Kansas Dept of Corrections for Obstruction of Justice where I refused to allow a search absent a warrant.

    You wish to go on about murderers. I have known more than a few, I've shanked a few of them too. Most murders are on off incidences. You have more to fear from a rapist or child molester than you do from most murderers.

    Rapists? A true rapist I have nothing for. They are playing a power game. One time I had one of those true idiots place his arm over me and tell me I was his. He cried like a bitch when I pulled the shank out of his armpit a few seconds later. I meant to cut the nerves to that arm and missed the nexus. Don't matter because the point was made. That idiot was in for raping a 70 year old woman during a robbery. This type of rapist, I have nothing for! I do not believe they should ever get out and should spend their lives in supermax on 47 down 1 out for hygiene, no TV, no nothing.

    There is another type of rapist. This one is generally under 25. He had consensual sex with his under 18 girl friend and his parents girl friend prosecuted. Most often you see this in kids that are 19 - 20 years old. This person did nothing wrong in my mind. I do not see the individual as a rapist as much as I see him/her as a victim of bad laws and possessive/controlling parents.

    Then you have the third type. This person is actually innocent; but either took a plea agreement, or was victimized by overzealous prosecution and an excessive reliance on hearsay. This goes one further in many states because you cannot challenge the alleged victim due to nuances in the court rule and law. My attitude on this is no evidence should equate to no prosecution. There must also be a police report documenting the victims claim of a rape. Once that report is made, there better be a semen sample taken to substantiate it. A claim of rape a week, month, or year after the fact just does not cut it for any number of reasons. I place that into the guilt, or feminist convincing her friend of rape category that did not did not happen. In my state, if the woman has imbibed "any" quantity of alcohol within 24 hours, then it is rape whether the woman consented or not; let alone both being drunk.

    Child molesters. They kind of fit into the above categories. But there is another area here. Here in Utah many years ago there was a shrink by the name of Snow White (I shit you not) who investigated an alleged case of child molesting. By the time she was done, she had accused most of the inhabitants of one town of being involved in satanic child abuse. It took ten years before the Utah Supreme Court overruled the conviction. The shrink lost her license.

    A proper child molester/rapist/abuser such as Gary Bishop (33 boys under 9) should properly be executed. Bishop was. I was twenty feet down the hall in Uinta 3, section 3 Utah DOC when they executed him. I danced.

    So what the issue comes down to is the problems that exist in our justice system that allow convictions and plea agreements when there should be none - either innocence or guilt, and the continuation of a sentence after the term of service is completed. Your wanting know that the guy/gal down the street was convicted, or arrested, for this, that, or the other does not keep you or yours safe and is really nothing more than nosiness. If you want to know if someone is on parole or probation, which may be more relevant to your safety than whether a person was arrested or convicted, then every state properly has a data base and website that will give you that information. Most of them will even show how many felons with a tail live in your area. But that information is pretty useless when compared to the fact that one out of three people in some ethnic groups are on paper or on the rock, while with others it is one out of ten.

    We could move on to all the problems that have drugs at their root. But it is a large field. Being honest, however, with the exception of a few mid-level dealers I have never known someone to be put in prison for simple drug use/possession unless a PV.

    Then we come to the after completion of sentence social and employment. Here I will only speak for myself. I have a Masters in Computer Science and a Bachelors in Electrical Engineering (analog instrumentation specialty) that I earned somewhere in the time between prison sentences and just after I completed my last on ten years ago. I also have a paralegal degree that I earned from Blackstone while doing time. Because of sites like Mugshots, I cannot work in the fields I am degreed in. A simple background check reveals my record. That is not the problem, it is the social exposure from mugshot sites (now largely taken care of in the serps). Then we run into the problem that no good deed goes unpunished. In my work against the mugshot sites, they smeared me across every consumer complaint site there is. This creates a problem because everyone Googles their friends and acquaintances. From incomplete data they draw inferences and socially ostracize you. The very last thing you want to do is isolate a person that is attempting to, or has, rehabilitate themselves. They have a track record. If they are hungry, they will commit a crime to get food; if they need companionship and are isolated from everyday people, they will turn to the criminal element that will accept them.

    So you now come to the social cost. Is the ineffective revolving door, lock em up throw the key away, put em in as soon as they get out a viable model? I do not believe it is. The incarceration costs alone are very high. Now you have to add in more judges, more police, and more laws. To support more of these you either have to raise taxes or take the funds from another area. What serves the most people? To lock a dope fiend that shoplifted to support his habit up for ten years, or buy his doe for life, or to rehabilitate him/her away from drugs. The you have to balance this against the unemployed cop/guard/parole/probation officer that can get no other job. You and I have both known a few of those.

    I fall on the side of once they completed their terms of sentencing, let them live their lives as long as the person is basically law abiding. Mugshot type websites, unless government operated, are on the opposite side because they profit off another persons misfortunes.