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New Client and Prior Black Hat Citations! Itls pretty bad. What to do/is it worth it?

Discussion in 'Local SEO' started by coolsheet, Jan 14, 2015.

  1. coolsheet

    coolsheet Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Hey BHW. So I've got a new potential and after scraping his citations with Whitespark, I noticed some insanely bad black hat. Half of the citations were yelp listings in different countries. He's a locksmith in a city in America.

    Local Citation Finder | Whitespark Local Citation Finder 2015-01-14 07-14-14.jpg

    See what I mean.

    Is there anyway to get rid of these listings? I've read that you can't remove a listing once it's up.

    Does it even matter? I would think it would negatively affect the site and leave a huge foot print.

    If I were to slam it with let's say 400 citations over the course of 6 months, would the new citations trump the ones in different countries, making them unnoticeable?

    Appreciate any advice.
     
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  2. Andrew Scherer

    Andrew Scherer Senior Member

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    Can't see the attachment, but I can tell you this is common in that space. If you contact support of each site they will be happy to help you, I'm sure.
     
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  3. coolsheet

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    Ok I fixed the image.

    See how there all yelp in different countries. I figured out what the guy did. The Marketer listed the client in the cities he asked to be listed in, but those cities weren't in the US. They were all over the globe.

    As for contacting support, should I just contact Yelp? And if so how do you go about doing that.

    I keep getting directed to the FAQ.

    What I'm hearing is that once you are listed on Yelp, that's it. Nothing you can do about it.

    From this URL: https://biz.yelp.com/support/common_questions

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    • [h=3] Can I have my business listing information removed from Yelp?
      [/h] Consumers have the right to talk about what they like (and don't like) about a meal they ate, a plumber they hired, or a car wash they visited. We don't remove business listings, so your best bet is to engage with your fans and critics alike, and hear what they have to say. "




    So what do you do about yelp listings?
     
  4. sully1975

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    I would believe if you asked the right person in Yelp, they would help you. If you can find where it is against terms for a person to be spammed or listed outside of the country.Once you find that, you show that and the listings to them. Locksmiths and that category are just evil for these directories.
     
  5. TeKn1qu3z

    TeKn1qu3z Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Tried to contact someone from Yelp to personally assist you with this. Other options is re-branding
     
  6. BlueSteele

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    This is in Yelp's best interest to clean up. If you mail them, show them each of the profiles and explain why it is a problem for THEM and you, they'll generally help you. I contact Yelp all the time for cleanup work, and they are usually very good about cleaning up what is obviously bad data.

    Also, what you see up there is pretty common, and in fact happens a lot without anyone doing it on purpose. I don't recall why exactly, but it happens. This however looks a tad bit more aggressive : )

    Good luck!

    -Adam
     
  7. jacobhagberg

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    I wonder if the disavow tool works for NAP citations? Does anyone have any experience with this? I typically work on more national campaigns.
     
  8. Canuck

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    This is a non-issue, for Yelp at least. Load up a profile on Yelp.com if your client is in the states, and then swap out '.com' for '.ca' or '.nl' etc - just keep the rest of the URL intact. Page reloads - and in the case of .nl it reloads in a different language.

    Yelp uses different domains for localization instead of like /nl/ or /es/ and their canonicalization is bad/non-existent, so what you're seeing is WhiteSpark's crawler going through multiple versions of Yelp and hitting the same listing on each of the localized domains.

    It's not black hat, don't worry! It's just a bad localization implementation by Yelp and WhiteSpark is finding & pointing out each and every single one it hits.
     
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  9. adcentrex

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    Yext and whitespark.ca are a great resource for citations. yext will fix them
     
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    Wow. Assuming that's true (and I do) that's really insightful. That's the 1st substantive post on internet marketing I've found on this site in the last 2 weeks.

    To the OP I'd say that the solution to spammy blackhat techniques is not MORE spammy, blackhat techniques. Locksmiths are HIGHLY touchy and I'd make sure you are getting paid in advance because Google can wipe all of pages 1, 2 and 3 from the face of their results instantly deindexed and never to be seen again.

    More than likely you are wasting your time if the locksmith is not a legit, bona fide, can actually "conduct business" on the premises at the physical location. It's just a matter of time before a real competitor reports the fake business and it's all over then.

    First thing I do when I take a new locksmith (or any other highly competitive niche) is report all the fakes to Google. It's the most efficient use of my Local SEO time. Why spend two weeks going from #9 to #7 when I can get #1, #2, #4 and #5 permanently deindexed in one day?

    Duh.

    So, FYI to all you blackhat locksmith spammers out there; I'm your enemy. I'm the guy that reports you at that special place online that you don't know about and I do (lol), and I get your businesses zapped, usually within 48 hours. Hey! Ever read that story about the angry competitor that actually took a video camera and walked up to a receptionist and asked if he could see the locksmith, and she had to tell him that he only shows up ever 4 of 5 days to pick up the mail?

    That was MY idea. *I* told that angry locksmith to do it (I live in a different city) and boy was that spammer MAD. lol. They spend a lot of money faking those locksmith listings for about 2 weeks. Oh, and I/we know all about the "google maps" method too, FYI. It ain't nothing new, and it lasts only as long as it takes for a real competitor to drive to the address and take a picture. So don't pay anyone to fake a locksmith listing because it won't be there a week later after I'm done with it.
     
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    the most random tangent i've seen in a long time..
     
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  12. Canuck

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    Thanks. Appreciate it
     
  13. frankie828

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    Every business has those out of country yelp listings. That is just yelp's site in that country, the content is that same.
     
  14. DevelopingProspects

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    Create a new website, use Suite #100 in your new location, use a new tracking number. focus on ranking the new local citations and then remove the old ones.
     
  15. blitziod

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    How do I find the fame listings to report ? Spammers are killing me