NEVER USE GOOGLE WEBMASTER TOOLS - New Wave of Manual Action Penalty

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Ok Guys,

I am sure you know Google collects data from Google WMT. But this is the first time I realized how much they are tracking gwmt. They are literally data mining your info. Ok here is the details of what happened in the last 1 week.

I had about 3-4 sites in the GWMT tools account. I never used Gwmt much but i wanted to play with it about crawl rates,indexing etc. I added like 16 more sites in 1 week.

The first weird thing i saw was "Google" visits. I started seeing awful lot of google visits to the pages i add to the WMT account. The weird thing is the visits are not from bots because Statcounter can tag a bot and also i can see the device etc they are using to visit the site. I see visits from ireland,uk,india,usa google.

After that 3-4 days ago first manual action penalty happened. And today 6/20 got manual action penalty. It is like a virus spreading through the Gwmt account.I am 100% sure when they catch a manual action penalty they are digging deeper to your other sites.

Now the manual actions are pure spam because of spun content from other sites mostly. You can say it is normal right? I used spun content and sites got hit. I added 5 of my other sites that have spun content just like the ones on a new gwmt account. NONE of them has manual actions.All are fine.

Only 4-5 of the sites were important for me. So i don't care much. But i am telling you even if you don't use Black Hat techniques DON'T USE GWMT.
 

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The mistake you made is adding all your sites in single GWT account. I personally just add 1 or 2 sites max/account and never had any issues.
 

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Even if you don't use WebMasterTools Google catches up with your site(s) eventually and penalizes them. You make it easy for Google because you gave them the list of your other sites. The good thing in WMT is that you recieve a message about the penalty, otherwise you have to guess what's going on.
So don't blame Google, it's your own fault delivering crappy websites to the internet.
 

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The mistake you made is adding all your sites in single GWT account. I personally just add 1 or 2 sites max/account and never had any issues.

It is not my mistake mate. I did it on purpose. The problem is google's wmt which claim to help webmasters are used by Google against webmasters. I couldn't prove it better. Hope this spreads and everybody in BHW knows about this. Also from my experience i wouldn't be so sure about your diffrent gwmt account theory because i know from adwords account experience google will catch u sooner or later and bind those diffrent gwmt accounts together.
 

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Even if you don't use WebMasterTools Google catches up with your site(s) eventually and penalizes them. You make it easy for Google because you gave them the list of your other sites. The good thing in WMT is that you recieve a message about the penalty, otherwise you have to guess what's going on.
So don't blame Google, it's your own fault delivering crappy websites to the internet.

Matt Cutts? I am saying it didn't catch the other sites and you are saying it will eventually. Use it on your glorious sites then.
 

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Not sure how adding that tool would make much difference apart from communication with you? It's not even a particularly good tool. You are right they have spam teams in those locations, you would need their IP range to block them though. I really don't get all this hate of organic SEO and their penalties. They are an advertising company so it probably means more money for them somehow, like if you can't rank the site you might pay the greedy bastards some money for clicks.
 

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Not sure how adding that tool would make much difference apart from communication with you? It's not even a particularly good tool. You are right they have spam teams in those locations, you would need their IP range to block them though. I really don't get all this hate of organic SEO and their penalties. They are an advertising company so it probably means more money for them somehow, like if you can't rank the site you might pay the greedy bastards some money for clicks.

Believe me mate i am sure what i am talking about. Honestly i was not sure of they do this until a week ago. Actually i didn't want to believe google would do such a thing like finding a spammed domain and tracking it to the gwmt and hunting more domains from the account. It is not because i don't approve them to find spam it is because they are getting in your so called personal account that would "HELP" you and hitting you under the belt. That is what i am angry of. And they are doing it not with bots or anything but with real human spam team. I stopped using google products long ago and this is the end of gwmt for me too.

I really couldn't care less for 20 domains.I got 1600 more but i think we should share these in public and make sure a lot of people reads this and prevents getting all their domains banned. It is like playing poker with your hands wide open asking for trouble.
 

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It's well known already that google uses webmaster tools to link the sites together and sends in mass penalties.

It's also well known, that even if you don't use webmaster tools, you can still get mass manual penalties, because they track a lot of data, starting with analytics, google chrome data, search engine data, and etc.. So they can still get you even if you don't use webmaster tool.
 

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Thanks for warning! How do you think, if you add your website to gwmt and use PBN for this site... Will it help google to find your PBN domains faster?
 

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I agreed with berkay1907

Today we've got 8 sites manually penalized which are in a same GWMT :( I think it'll be far far better to avoid to add money sites in GMT so that the risk will be minimized
 

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Thanks for warning! How do you think, if you add your website to gwmt and use PBN for this site... Will it help google to find your PBN domains faster?

I don't know if you are being sarcastic but i am 100% sure it would help google to spot out pbn networks much faster.

OK 2 more new info :

1- They hunt for SITES that ranks for some keywords on top 10 serp results.And track deeper in your gwmt.
2- When 1 or 2 sites gets a spam warning the new sites that you add to gwmt tool doesn't perfom as well as before. It looks like they automatically put a restriciton to the new domains that you add to the gwmt.
 

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How intelligent does one have to be to understand this? NEVER put more than one website on a webmaster account. NEVER. This is common knowledge for YEARS on end now. And I mean YEARS.....

If you look at it logically and factually, you will see that there really is NOTHING you're giving google with a webmaster account other than an email. I.P. address that you login in with and the fact that you own the website(s) in question. EVERYTHING there is already collected by them and has NOTHING to do with you or your input.

I guarantee you with 100% certainty that you would NOT have suffered the penalty across all those sites if the sites were in separate accounts. Do they have the ability to track down your sites through other footprints? Absolutely. Do they do it? Not often. This is some low paid reviewer seeing shit on one site and then you handed him a roadmap to your other sites. EVERYONE knows that these fucktards will give manual penalties to whatever they want ONCE they find an offending site and can link the ownership of others together.

Tough lesson to learn but now you know...Webmaster tools really wasn't the problem. Putting all your websites under one account was.

I suggest you take the content to other sites and move forward. Ya live Ya learn.
 

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Never used it so far and still made lots of money and ranked sites. Don't see a reason to start using it now. Just, don't use it.
 

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How intelligent does one have to be to understand this? NEVER put more than one website on a webmaster account. NEVER. This is common knowledge for YEARS on end now. And I mean YEARS.....

If you look at it logically and factually, you will see that there really is NOTHING you're giving google with a webmaster account other than an email. I.P. address that you login in with and the fact that you own the website(s) in question. EVERYTHING there is already collected by them and has NOTHING to do with you or your input.

I guarantee you with 100% certainty that you would NOT have suffered the penalty across all those sites if the sites were in separate accounts. Do they have the ability to track down your sites through other footprints? Absolutely. Do they do it? Not often. This is some low paid reviewer seeing shit on one site and then you handed him a roadmap to your other sites. EVERYONE knows that these fucktards will give manual penalties to whatever they want ONCE they find an offending site and can link the ownership of others together.

Tough lesson to learn but now you know...Webmaster tools really wasn't the problem. Putting all your websites under one account was.

I suggest you take the content to other sites and move forward. Ya live Ya learn.

Mate i don't give a damn about those sites. I KNEW it for about 3 years and never add my sites to GWMT. But this is the first time i actually proved it.

The problem is not adding your domains to diffrent accounts. The problem is Google is tracking your GWMT account. They are giving you a so called GIFT that you can manage your sites better and then hunting you down with your own private data.
 

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I had none of my sites in GWMT and I had like 4 of them manual penalized last night. I do not think this has anything to do with GWMT. Please see thread: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...3-manual-action-thin-content-recoverable.html

I am not saying your sites won't get manual actions if you don't add it to GWMT. Ofcourse it will get penalized sooner or later. I am saying if you add your sites to the GWMT they will dig all the sites if only 1 site get manual action.
 

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Mate i don't give a damn about those sites. I KNEW it for about 3 years and never add my sites to GWMT. But this is the first time i actually proved it.

The problem is not adding your domains to diffrent accounts. The problem is Google is tracking your GWMT account. They are giving you a so called GIFT that you can manage your sites better and then hunting you down with your own private data.

You missed the point. They are not using your PRIVATE data. There is NOTHING private there! They are using the info YOU GAVE them by adding ALL those sites under one account. EVERYTHING ELSE, as in ALL THE OTHER DATA, they already had on hand. They are not "discovering" crappy sites via the algo. There's a reason they call it "manual action". The reviewers use any and all tools they have to discover what they consider "spam" and remove it, including GWMT. We all know they very often remove sites that are perfectly fine. Just as they will often catch ones that are shitty through numerous other methods BESIDES linking them though GWMT.

Your argument is that "how dare they use your private info!" That's freaking hilarious!!! The fact that you KNEW that it's potentially a big problem adding multiple sites to one GWMT acct, and then went and added those sites anyways says quite a lot about YOU actually. The fault here isn't that GWMT exists and that low life google reviewers utilize it to penalize more than one site. The problem here isn't google "tracking" you. It's the fact that YOU handed them a map with directions and THEN you're fucking pissed they found you? Wow...How could that have happened? LMAO

I have 100's of sites and have used GWMT on dozens and dozens of them. ALL of these sites utilize what google or you or others would call "shitty" content. Spun, respun, and spun again into complete crap. And it ranks and brings eyeballs to it and none of them have manual penalties. None. I'm sure one day they'll catch a few. But they won't be able to link them all together. That much I can tell you for sure.

The fault here lies with YOU, your actions, and your perceptions. You started this thread to tell everyone they shouldn't use GWMT. Period. You've been proven wrong. You screwed yourself with your OWN actions, or lack thereof if you prefer to see it that way. Accept it. Learn from it and grow.

Good luck in your future endeavors.
 

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Somewhat on-topic as I noticed that search engine world has indicated a large influx of manual actions: https://www.seroundtable.com/google-manual-actions-increase-21311.html

My questions are:
1 - If you receive the Thin Content one...it has nothing to do with links? When I read the comments on the referenced page I believe some people believe that Google is giving out Thin Content notices instead of the Unnatural links ones.
2 - If it was related to links (i.e. PBN), would the PBN be de-indexed? In other words if a PBN is still indexed does that mean the manual action is not link related?

I am going on the direction that my sites need to have their content improved but would be nice to know if it is actually links instead.
 
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