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Negative SEO - To Candybar + Mods

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by pixelgrinder, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. pixelgrinder

    pixelgrinder Power Member

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    In response to the recent post of candybar's thread that was deleted and the prohibition of negative SEO methods:

    I think we seriously need to reconsider our stance on negative SEO. In its current state, negative SEO is not only easily employed, its extremely dangerous to everyone in the SEO industry. Candybar's method would take minimal effort and is probably very effective at destroying sites (as he noted in the thread, the method was very effective). To ensure the sustainability of our own sites we need to force G to fix this and/or revert to before 3.3 was released. We shouldn't ban negative SEO threads, we should encourage them.

    If G wants to start to take link building practices into consideration, we should advocate the exploitation and weakness in their strategy - negative SEO. We need to have this become such a problem that G cant discern which sites are actually using these tactics and which are being hit with negative SEO.

    Until 3.3 was released, negative SEO wasn't very relevant. There was little to no damage you could do to a site after it was established. This is how it SHOULD be, we should never be at the mercy of a rogue competitor that decides he's tired of being below us in the SERPs.

    If this needs to be moved to the lounge, please do so. As this thread does not discuss specific negative seo methods as per the thread by mods, hopefully it won't be deleted.
     
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  2. cookiejar

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    Pixelgrinder you make an excellent point, but Negative SEO is exactly what it is, it only examplifies the power of positive SEO, think about it, for your positive SEO method to be really powerful (some are stronger than others) it needs to work in reverse as well, if it doesn't, it's not strong. (Am I making Sense)??

    Now what Candybar suggested was taking it to another level but again, think about it in reverse or if it was a positive campaign, would those same techniques work?

    If google creates additional panda algos updates and filters etc., it will also effect what already works. So even though they watch and monitor threads, they have too many investors and economy riding on their heels, to implement any MAJOR algo updates in an attempt to stop loopholes.

    It's just the other side of the coin, a bullet fired from a gun can kill a murderer, that same bullet can kill an innocent person. Guns itself aren't bad, it's what people decide to use them on what makes them taboo.
     
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  3. Georges

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    didnt get a chance to read his thread.

    whats the gist of his negative seo methods? pm me if you cant post about it
     
  4. cookiejar

    cookiejar Regular Member

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    This is why I'm glad it gone, too many curious minds want to know. Don't worry about negative SEO, go do some Positive SEO and make money.
     
  5. pixelgrinder

    pixelgrinder Power Member

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    I have no idea what you mean. What are you talking about SEO in reverse? And why do you say they don't implement any major algo updates to stop loopholes? They just did that in 3.3

    The fact is, no matter what you do for positive SEO, you are susceptible to manipulation from competitors. This shouldn't be allowed.
     
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    wildazzjw Newbie

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    Yeah. I'd at least want to be aware of what it is. Please let me know too. Thanks
     
  7. pixelgrinder

    pixelgrinder Power Member

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    Negative SEO is simply hurting your competition in the SERPs by link building. Thats all you need to know.
     
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    I agree it shouldn't be there but I do not agree with everyone doing it so google has to fix it. You are messing with someones business. That site might just keep a roof over the persons head.
     
  9. pixelgrinder

    pixelgrinder Power Member

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    If you haven't noticed, google doesn't do anything unless it becomes an epidemic.

    Is negative SEO pushing the bounds of blackhat? Yes. Is it a terrible tactic that I would hate to employ? Absolutely. Would I much rather focus on building my businesses and my sites? Of course.

    But the fact is, if we want this to NOT be possible we need to force google to do something about it. Until then, we are at the mercy of any of our competitors.
     
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    kingofbigmac Regular Member

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    That thread made me sick. I would hate if someone did that to me. It's just not fair. You work so hard only to get destroyed.
     
  11. 0_inspiration

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    Um.... why does it need to be used against small targets for this gambit to be effective?

    Why not just apply it to sites like Twitter and Google?

    Or rather, apply it to Google owned/favoured sites like ehow, groupon, matt cutts blog all that sort of shit?

    (Infact, Matt Cutt's blog makes the most sense doesn't it, an all out negative seo campaign on the golden boys site would at least get google to notice!)
     
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    be smart :)
     
  13. SweTech

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    Orm people.. orm..

    this is how at least I work with some unwanted links in the serps.

    A kitchen knife can be a deadly weapon but also a great way to cut bread, it´s all about how you choose to use it.
     
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    This makes perfect sense! Count me in!

     
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    Where's the droves of crybabies saying "If that were true you could spam your competitors"? I've been saying you can spam your competitors out of the serps for years, its sad that it took a Panda update for every noob to see it. In every algorithm change theres a opportunity. Long live the Black Hat!!
     
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    Got to love these threads full of secrets. "all you need to know" lol
     
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  17. pixelgrinder

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    It is prohibited to talk about negative SEO methods. So yes, it is all you need to know.
     
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    Let us be crystal clear about one fact though... negative SEO is ABSOLUTELY NOT effective in the long term. Especially on older, or better backlinked sites. You can cripple a site for a period of time, but I have seen ZERO evidence that it is capable of doing long enough damage to make it a viable long-term SEO gameplan.

    And for that reason alone, I see no reason why Negative SEO is worth the time it takes to discuss. So I have no problem with it getting blacklisted as a topic.
     
  19. pixelgrinder

    pixelgrinder Power Member

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    Do you know this for a fact? You don't because it hasn't been long enough after 3.3 to know.
     
  20. mark27

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    I don't think anyone here is worried about the effects on long term already established sites. They're worried because a large established site, which you claim is now immune to negative SEO, can do negative SEO on all its competitors that get close to ranking above it.

    How easy would it be to maintain a #1 ranking for any keyword if you monitored new sites moving up and absolutely thrashed every site trying to compete with yours? Since the larger sites already have larger budgets it wouldn't be outrageous to think they could have a full time employee monitoring rankings of various small competitors and killing their sites before they got to page 2. That's ridiculous.