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Negative Link-Juice: Really?!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ThopHayt, Jul 8, 2012.

  1. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I've been hearing that with Penguin there is now such a thing as negative link-juice. In other words... some backlinks have a NEGATIVE value now. This is beyond penalties, and means that you can make yourself weaker link by link now... so IS this actually true? And if so, what links from what kinds of sites are now giving negative juice?
     
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  2. jlei523

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    Yes it is true. If you get a link from a penalized site, then your site gets penalized too.

    Worry not, Google is coming out with a tool that will let you disavow a link.
     
  3. mrxinbollywood

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    this is also a another misinformation. from bhw i made a purchase for 100-200 private blog network post 3 months ago. After that i found 100 blog site of that private network is deindexed by google. But my website is still doing good for that keyword. So deindexing a website has nothing to do with those websites whose backlink posted their.

    If you think that this statement is true "you get a link from a penalized site, then your site gets penalized too" then in bhw every person will buy backlinks for their competitor website from deindexed private blog network to remove their competitions.

    All things related to how many backlinks you have, how many link diversity and unique ip addresses and domains, keyword diversity etc..
     
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  4. crazedspyker

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    It's already been shown by many people that you CAN buy certain link packages and knock a competitor out... that argument doesn't hold anymore. At least not for some time now.

    I've seen this happen first hand and I've even tested on my own established web 2.0 properties that's been ranking for a year. Knocked it out with only 2 fiverr gigs and it hasn't come back in over a few months. It's a lot harder to do on an established site, but a brand new domain that hasn't gained google's trust can easily be taken out of serp. Of course, this is not my style and I would never do that to a competitor.

    Google even changed their terms from "impossible to hurt another site" to "they'll try their best to detect it".

    It's right on their website. On May 22, 2012 They changed it from:

    "There's almost nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index. If you're concerned about another site linking to yours, we suggest contacting the webmaster of the site in question. Google aggregates and organizes information published on the web; we don't control the content of these pages."

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    "Google works hard to prevent other webmasters from being able to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index. If you're concerned about another site linking to yours, we suggest contacting the webmaster of the site in question. Google aggregates and organizes information published on the web; we don't control the content of these pages."

    Just by the way the sentence is phrased suggests that Google is aware of the fact that other webmasters CAN harm your site, but they work hard to prevent it from happening. You can check out the page here: http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=34449
     
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  5. ThopHayt

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    What I'm talking about is beyond negative seo... it's not about penelties. Like pumping too many links, or too much bad anchor text... I'm saying that people are saying now that there are bad links out there that hurt you on a link by link basis. Like one link's negative link juice isn't going to do much harm... but if a site you have has a lot of links that G has now deemed "negative" you could see a dip. Also mixing in these negative links into your other linking could be what's holding you back since 20 + -20 = 0 And this is what I'm talking about. The exact same idea as link juice... but into the negative numbers. The links themselves, not just because the anchor text or the sheer amount...

     
  6. crazedspyker

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    Yup, I completely agree with you on this. I was merely pointing out to mrxinbollywood that arguments about links not being able to hurt a site, is not valid anymore.

    If negative link juice is real, it would definitely work in google's favor. It could eliminate spammy sites from a bottom-up approach, so if you have spam links all the way in tier 5, the negative link juice would transfer to tier 4, and eventually by the time it gets to tier 1, there may not be much positive link juice to pass to the money site at all (perhaps just neutral depending on how bad the links are).

    Of course this is only a theory, but it seems to coincide with what I've been seeing and until a better theory comes along, this is the one I personally choose to believe. I'm not saying that it's right or 100% true, because there is no way of knowing that. I am not trying to encourage anyone to just follow my point of view. Everyone should decide for themselves. After all, they are just theories. Here is the video that seems to make the most sense right now in terms of my *own* personal findings: http://vimeo.com/44996406 (Don't just listen to what people say blindly, take information from many places and choose for yourselves)

    The fact that google is adding a disavow option also suggests that maybe links can pass negative juice and hence they are giving us the ability to remove links that competitors might build to our site. (otherwise why would we need to remove links?)
     
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  7. scorpion896

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    Yes, negative link juice does exist. If your site is receiving a backlink from a very spammy site or penalized site, then now negative link juice is transferred.
     
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    So, penalised sites now are a valuable asset...

    I'd love to build a nice blog network of highly penalised sites. I will rule SERPs one way or another.
     
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  9. mickyfu

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    Do people not even bother to stop and think before they state something as fact. If a penalized site passed on negative juice, I am pretty much sure that this would mean that every site in the world would end up being penalized.
     
  10. crazedspyker

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    I don't think anyone here stated anything as fact, its just theory and observation that's been going around (not our theory, we're just discussing about it). Also the OP didn't mention a penalized site causing another site to become penalized, he only mentioned negative juice being passed to them reducing it's value.

    And if it was the case that the entire world ended up being penalized (which isn't the case), relatively speaking, there will still be sites that rank top 10 as "the entire world" would be competing on "lower link juice"

    Once again, to make it clear to new ppl reading this. This is not our theory, it's something that's already been going around. We are merely talking about it and just sharing our own personal point of view. We are all free to believe what we want, it doesn't make it true. I understand that this theory may be completely inaccurate, but until a better theory comes along, I choose to build my links according to this as it seems to explain what I've already been seeing.
     
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    @mrxinbollywood A website deindexed isn't the same as penalized ;). There is no penalty to pass in a deindexed website, it is just that the link juice isn't passing anymore.


    Otherwise, here is a video about Negative Links :

    http://www.senuke.com/blog/?p=308
     
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    I sure as fuck hope this turns out to be true. Daddy needs a fatter wallet. :D
     
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    Negative SEO does exists and until google changes their algo to discount them instead of putting negative value to them we will continue to see this.
     
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    There are netwoks droping their domains after penalazation. If you have an account with any of them you can collect those domains after exiration and start your business.
     
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    Negative link juice is real.

    How it works?

    If you have a link from a penalized page, which is not the same as deindexed, that link will have a negative impact on your website. You may not even notice it. But the negative effect is there. And if the amount of penalized pages linking to your site increases, your rankings will start to drop.

    If the site is deindexed the link on it is not counted, so can't hurt your rankings.

    Check this video: http://www.senuke.com/blog/?p=308

    The guy there made a test to prove this.
     
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    I think the words "Yes negative link juice is real" is stating as fact. Every website in the world these days must have a bad site linking to them, due to the amount of sites which have been hit. Therefore it cannot possible be real.
     
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    Subscribed!!! I am going to keep an eye on this thread I love these with so much information.

    As always have a blessed one.
     
  18. Z0mbie

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    You're forgetting that rankings are relative. If you have a very spammy backlink profile but all your competitors have even more spammy backlink profiles, then you'll still rank higher than them.

    As for the negative link juice, it also affects pagerank negatively, not only rankings.
     
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    Again stated as fact. This simply is not true. I have NESO'ed a lot of sites. Sites which they are linked to are not affected in any way at all. A lot of my websites were hit and still linked together. Some went down and other up, yet they were linked to sites which had been hit. Where exactly are you getting this theory that a site which has been spammed can affect a website if it is linked. There is no proof of this in the slightest
     
  20. Z0mbie

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    You're getting confused between two different things:
    1) Site which has been spammed can affect a website which it links to
    2) A site, which gets spammed.

    When I say negative link juice, I'm talking about spam links such as from spammed blogs etc., which provide a negative link juice to the website it links to.

    Also, watch the latest video on senuke blog. It has a clip of a google employee confirming, at the SMX Advanced I think, that negative link juice is real.

    Plus, my first point which is your real question is also addressed in that video.

    None of my websites were hit by the penguin, and I've never negative SEO'd unlike you, so I can't confirm it, but I take senuke to be a trustable source.