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Neg SEO Question

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by socialblast, Oct 4, 2013.

  1. socialblast

    socialblast Regular Member

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    OK so I do a lot of churn and burn sites. My sites literally only last a week or two at most so I don't really care about negative seo being performed on my sites in fact it makes me laugh that someone is going to the effort of trying to get me penalised when I know it will be anyway.

    Anyway these guys who are blasting my site are using keywords such as payday loan keywords and online casino keywords. Am I not right in thinking that's a total waste of their time? I don't want to rank for those keywords anyway or is that what people do for neg seo just blast random keywords to a site?

    Like I say, either way I don't care and if you're on here you sad bastard get a life and try and rank your own sites rather than concentrating on ruining it for others. Karmas a bitch
     
  2. the_demon

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    Well, they do it because it's a cheap and easy way to suppress new competitors from entering the market places. Also, it's not time consuming. They can just fire up software and let it run, and call it a day. Takes 2 seconds of their time and they protect their profits... and yes, they don't give a damn about morality or ethics.
     
  3. Veyron

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    It doesn't matter if you're wanting to rank for those keywords or not. Just the fact that your new site(s) are receiving thousands of links almost immediately will get your site penalized within no time regardless of the keyword(s).

    Veyron
     
  4. socialblast

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    That's how I am ranking in the first place by blasting my site with shitty ass links. I only noticed because I was scanning through ahrefs when I noticed loads of random keywords.
     
  5. SnakePliskin

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    I agree with the_demon. I believe it's a waste of their time to blast your site with spammy, non relative links. However, some competitors just think that way. That they need to make your site worse instead of their site better.
     
  6. innosoft

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    i have heard/read somewhere that google as mechanism to detect if someone(only backlinks :p and devalue it) doing neg seo.. specially if u blast 1m links in week n if u disappear.. short term = more irrelevant links, offcourse gonna be neg seo..(in case ur doing good white hat seo) i dont believe this but i read somewhere.. hope someone can put a light on it.. sometimes i feel it as rubbish.. but sometimes i really think abt it.
     
  7. crazedspyker

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    If it's just a churn and burn site, you're probably already spamming your own links, so they are kinda helping you out. Once the site tanks, just 301 redirect it to a new domain and those links will actually help boost you for a while until the penalty catches up.
     
  8. the_demon

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    Yes, Google does have algorithmic filters in places, the problem is the algorithm can't catch up fast enough to filter them all out. By screwing up the anchor ratios and quality signals bad enough you can easily knock sites out, especially new website.

    ... There are many methods of negative SEO, not just "bad" anchor spam.
     
  9. kaylanewett

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    Um, it's not a waste of their time? All they have to do is spam a sites links with viagra and all those keywords other people were mentioning and down goes your site, if it's not yet authoritative.
     
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    Google should really work on ripping those neg stuffs first than screwing genuine peoples websites!!
     
  11. netmoney1

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    Unfortunately Google could care less about genuine websites. They like the madness as it turns a lot of people into advertisers with them. Many people get sick of the SEO game and throw their money into PPC. I think I received 100 emails this week regarding the Google Partners launch. They want everyone paying to get on top...simple as that.
     
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    Exactly. One of reason to bully genuine seo guys is to convert them into adwords advertisers!! what a shame!
     
  13. SnakePliskin

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    Um, yes it is. An SEO could be doing anything else to improve their own backlink profile to compete with yours. Rather than blasting your site and you eventually disavowing links and over lapping the negative ones they sent. They won't all get indexed either. They could also be coming up with a new business idea or strategy. It's a waste of their time man.
     
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    The Google inversion of burden is what's causing this.

    Now YOU are responsible for the links someone else posts to you....

    Let's put it this way: someone rams their truck right into your brand new car and it's your fault because you didn't GTFO of the way....

    How much more illogical does it get? You never know when Catt Mutts is in command of the WWW.
     
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    True that. That's a good way to put it.
     
  16. socialblast

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    If these guys had any sense though they would realise that when the site tanks it gets 301'd and within a couple of days or so its ranking above them again.

    So yes, it is a waste of time.
     
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    The reason they are using those keywords is because those are the "expected keywords" to be of spam quality.

    Kind of an outdated technique, but it still works..
     
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    When a competitor blasts your site with thousands or 10s of thousands of bad back links, you're going to disavow ALL of them? Once you get deindexed, that's it. The chances that google with reconsider you is very low. If it truly was a waste of their time, negative seo would not exist.
     
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    Good point. Not only will people not disavow all of them, they can't. Google will not show each and every link pointing to a site that they find. The other paid tools do an even worse job.

    Blasting a site with porn, viagra, payday loan links appears to be a method that is still used, but this is the easiest form of negative seo to cleanup from. Anchor text sticks out like a sore thumb to the website owner and a Google employee can easily come to the conclusion that it was a NSEO attack.

    The most damaging form of negative SEO from backlinks is when they use the same anchors as the site is trying to ranking for. These links are much harder to identify and on a reconsideration request Google will find it difficult to release the penalty. Basically, NSEO attacks that use the keywords the site is trying to rank for will cause Google to not trust any of those links and even taints the legit links. The loss in ranks for sites getting hammered by this method may not be swift, but they are long lasting as I have seen.

    Panda, penguin, hummingbirdie and whatever lame updates Google releases are all part of a larger strategy to push people into Adwords and organics off of the first page of the serps. Allowing negative SEO to happen is also a part of this puzzle and the more people that get nailed by it the more excuses Google has to drop ordinary sites out of organic search. The sooner people realize what Google is really up to, the faster they can adapt.