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Neg Seo and double standards

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by aoe316, Dec 27, 2013.

  1. aoe316

    aoe316 Regular Member

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    *If Matt Cutts keeps messing around with the algorithm and publicly calling out blackhatworld. Couldn't say 10 to 20 members just run a Negative SEO campaign against Matt Cutts personal sites along with some of google's sites to see if it effects their sites at any level. If it does not effect their sites in the same way that effects our sites couldn't that lead to a lawsuit. Because SEO is actually a business in its own and alot of money changes hands in more way than one, just because of google rankings. Also this could be a way to help fight against NEG SEO by showing google that it could happen to anyone.
    Sorry if this is just a dumb statement and question, it's just something that I have been wondering about.
     
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    google is a private business,
    It can display any results it likes.
    No one forces you to have your sites listed on google.
    If you don't like their algorithms block them and get listed on some other search engines.
    Just as BHW curtailed the abuse of the rep system google has every right to display results
    as it sees fit.
    Google is in the business of making money not being a charity for sub par Internet marketers.
     
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    You cant do anything about it, except complaining and google dont care about anything. They are doing simple business. Regarding negative seo, it doesn't work that way. There are several layers of trust and authority in google's eye. For instance you cant pull down wikipedia from search results by doing negative seo as it has the highest authority and trust and if that ever happens then it would be the end of google. lastly, google isn't answerable to anybody for whatever they show on their search results, its the internet marketers who are dependent on google for traffic(paid or free).
     
  5. aoe316

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    well they are somewhat reliable in what they put on there searches, depending on country. It was either china or russia that banned them (at one point not sure about now) and are currently suing them for taking down and moving competitors of google down in search rankings.
    Again Im not saying this is something I want to do. I am just curious on if or what would happen. I was expecting the great wisdom of BHW to help with my ignorance :)
     
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  6. aoe316

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    Thanks for the reply, and I somewhat agree with you. I was just wondering WHAT IF. I think even the great google has to conform to some laws though, so not sure if you where trying to be insulting towards me or just stating your opinion but all I was doing is WHAT IF.
     
  8. Adam718

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    Google isn't 'The Internet'. Google is it's own company. They have the right to do what they want with their own company. The fact that WE can take advantage of THEIR company is up to us because were using THEIR company that they OWN. If they want to put any company they choose at the top of their own index, they can and it isn't against the law.

    Im not trying to play the devils advocate, im just saying that a company can do what ever it wants within their services.
     
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    Don't waste time with it. As said above, it's googles prerogative to rank what they want how they want. To be honest though I don't think they would change the system to suit any one site, even their own. They would probably just disavow everything you sent at it.

    besides, remember that we are all gaming googles system, so you can't get mad when they fight back, that's all part of the game.
     
  10. Ash2012

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    Yawn - another Matt Clutts thread. You're trying to tell people what to do with their own property and company. Good luck.
     
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    Rather then focusing on Google Algo and Matts cutts way of {penalizing | distorting | destructing | smashing} sites/networks etc its good to focus on our individual strategies.
    SEO is changing what worked yesterday might not work today and Today's formula wont match up with future needs and if we can forget our old school seo companions then we are left with no choice rather then getting ourselves penalized and Negative SEO has proved ineffective for many sites with strong backlinks authority.
    If we try to push some nasty links towards Moz (eg), it is never to get penalized but if we push the same nasty links on our sites Damn! yes we end up in hell

    The healing Word is "SEO Metamorphosis"
    Avoid Spam Funky Junky Links Dup content etc etc(same old suggestion ) but important is to do something that no one is doing and then only we can get out of spam..But yes I am sure there will be a chance of Google getting back to you with some foolish reasons of penalizing but the show must never end hence let us roar and update ourselves .
    Mr Cutts is getting paid for penalizing us and we will get paid for saving our sites ..let us play our individual roles carefully and proudly like a true Warrior.

    For Me I don't really give much attention to Neg SEO it is not of much use these days
    As of Algo Shifts yes It is sometime healthy haha when it wipes out my competetitors and does mercy on me (evilgrin) haha
     
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  12. aoe316

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    Well you see I beg to differ, and not differing with what you said about google but what you said about companies can do what they want. If I owned a company, I couldnt only hire all white people, or serve only black people wile turning away mexicans. Or if I was a car dealership and sold my cars to skinny people at a cheaper rate wile refusing the same or equal services to fat people there could be a lawsuit. It is true that if you own a business you should be able to run it however you want. But thats not always the case.
     
  13. aoe316

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    Im not mad at google or matt cutts lol. I was just curious as to what would happen if people started to use the system agaisnt googls own sites. I am still new and only have one project currently up. I have not been hit by google I am and was just curious as to what would happen. I dont know why people are telling me to get over it, it has never happend to me. So thank you to the people who added information to the tread.
     
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    Sounds to me like an exercise in futility...
     
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    Google knows that it does happen, but is a form of acceptable collateral damage that drives more people into Adwords. Google cares not for small little sites, but profits, and negative SEO does help to improve profits for them. Fewer small businesses listed in organic search means more small businesses listed in Adwords. That's money in Google's bank.

    Nothing would happen. Google's own properties are whitelisted and immune from the same set of rules applied to other sites. Why do they do this? So they can make more money.

    Submerging your head in a toilet and flushing it ten times would have the same effect on Google as trying to use negative SEO against Matt Cutts' blog and Google owned properties. That effect would be nothing.
     
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    You know it would take to much resources to run a negative SEO campaign on Google. Instead we should all focus our
    energy on ranking and banking.
     
  17. aoe316

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    +1 for this repy, thats exactly the answer I was looking for. Thank you for answering
     
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    Negative SEO works in some metrics, not all time and not against any website.
    Trying to do so against Matt Cutts will be apparently gainless.
    Big G does its job good and makes good money. Also it makes most of us to make good money by the way.
    Should I curse Google, no I dont think so.
    Will I try to ruin Google, No I wont.
    Anyway thanks for bringing this interesting subject to our attentions.[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
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    it probably won't work for a business that is well established, well known and has been around for a long time, especially google. They can do what they want, yes i have been tempted to shoot a competitors site down just looking at his smug face google author photo above mine.... i have restrained so far......i don't know if i can hold out any longer, I'm just tired of looking at his face above mine......i may do it...just may