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Need some very basic information about SEO from the gurus

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Earl123, Feb 3, 2010.

  1. Earl123

    Earl123 Newbie

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    For starters, I just want to be upfront and tell you guys that I am not an affilliate marketer and actually have a product/service I want to sell. Why am I here instead of a "white hat" seo forum? Because I know you guys know the real shit that works and that is what I am interested in.

    So I know SEO determines your page rank on search engines for particular keywords or phrases but I don't know much beyond that. I am internet/computer proficient (I do webdesign/networking/programming/etc), so you can go straight into technical details.

    So on to the questions:

    1. Is being anything beyond page 1 worth anything? If so, after what page is generally accepted as falling off the cliff of getting any traffic what-so-ever?

    2. What does into your page rank, and what is the weight of each? I know other people linking your site ups your page rank, and so does metatags, but what else goes into it? If you have a startup business, how do you develop these links? Do black hats just spam forums and youtube videos with links?

    3. Is there *any* legitimate way (without spam) to up the page rank of a new domain/new business? If you get your page up in rank using black hat methods, how poor quality are the leads? What conversion percentage is generally acceptable for black hat methods?
     
  2. theconfidenceman

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    1. beyond page 1 sucks for affiliate marketers because the first site the buyer clicks on will be the site that gets the commision because the tracking cookie comes from the first site in. For your own product its not as bad, though you do want to be on page 1 #1. The first 3 spots get about 70% of the traffic and the rest get trickled down from there. Page 2 gets even less.

    2.traffic, backlinks, site structure, anchor text etc. for a new site submit to directories, articles, videos, etc. Blackhat is merely white hat on steroids; instead of submitting 1 video we will create 100 accts and submit 1000 versions of the same video.

    3. its the automation and the mass account creation that makes blackhat blackhat. The slow way is white hat, which takes manually approaching high pr sites and asking for backlink or sponsoring the sites.

    Blackhat traffic is just as good as whitehat. Traffic is traffic. If you are spamming and trying to grab as much traffic as possible for keywords like britney spears and you send them to a book on dog training -- that will not work. But if you do lets say a few link wheels for your main keyword youll get multiple listings for several pages deep exponentially increase your odds of making a sale.

    Dont be so caught up in black hat vs white hat. do what works as long as it doesnt get you de-indexed, and even that doesnt matter cause you can always get a new domain name.
     
  3. d3t0x

    d3t0x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    1. No, definitely not.
    2. No, there are many methods blackhatters use. We don't just spam but that is one of our tactics we are known for ;). You get page rank from other websites that already have high page ranks. If they link to you, your ranking increases.
    3. Success rates depend on how good the person is at making the spam look legit it all depends.

    Hope this helps a little. :)
     
  4. litenup

    litenup Junior Member

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    Both of the other two replies are on the mark.
    From my experience if you are targeting trends type/CPA sales, just go for the volume of visitors.
    If you are doing specific niche type product marketing then you need to target and focus on specific traffic.

    In either case you need to have a killer sales page/ad put together. That will affect your click through rate. Customers really don't care what your page rank is, its all about how your page/site is put together that will make them want to spend money with you.

    If you do PPC - pay per click and are targeting specific keywords it really doesn't matter about your page rank. Just find the right keywords. (Goog will lower your fees though, the better your SEO is)
    But if you are going the organic route then you need to use all the tricks you can muster up. As well as creating good content and getting relevant links.

    The only way you will know is to get out there and do it.
     
  5. Dangazzm

    Dangazzm Regular Member

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    This depends on what your aim is. As the poster above me said, if you are in affiliate marketing buyers want first page results for the most part. But if Ads3nse is your aim, then I have found being on the second page is where I START to see a return on my investment. But when I get to page 2 and start to see the trickle come in I get hungry for the flood so I REALLY start working on it... and thats pretty much how it goes, throw a lot of sites up, check an@lytics and see which ones are getting search traffics and for what keywords then upping those rankings!
     
  6. Earl123

    Earl123 Newbie

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    Thanks for the info guys, I have a few more questions.

    How important is the actual domain name in a marketing campaign? Pretty much all good .com's and .nets are gone so my domain name won't be great or even crappy if I really want a .com or .net. Or I can use a .biz or .info, but those are bottom barrel right?

    Also, what do people charge on here to do a blackhat campaign? What is the cost structure?
     
  7. Earl123

    Earl123 Newbie

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    anybody?
     
  8. a0rta

    a0rta Regular Member

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    Not beeing on the first SERP isn't the end of the world. There are lots of ways to drive traffic and in competive markets I mostly doesn't even focus on getting up on the first page as it will take too much time and effort. Better then to buy traffic in one way or another.

    When it comes to Page Rank you shouldn't focus on that. It's kind of pasé. for many of my sites I do outrank most of my competitors with higher PR then me. What count's on another hand is how targeted you can be and how good your "on-site" optimization is as well as how good your "off-site" optimization are. If your "on-site" optimization is good enough so you are targeting the right keywords you should focus on the "off-site" optimization which mostly is about getting links pointing ot your pages. It doesn't have to be hard. This is a good article I think you should read through to get an idea of how easy it can be. http://jigglingtheweb.com/

    and for your theird question you ones again focus on PR which wont take you anywhere as only better optimization then your competitors will make you outrank them. Internet Business Promoter is a software you should take a look at if you are in need of getting your optimization done right.

    The domain name is important. If you are on a highly competive market/niche you will need to have a good domain name with your targeted keywords in it. If your not in a highly competive market with not too many genious SEO guys to fight with you can bet that their SEO isn't the best either and if you just are doing it better then them you can outrank them without any of your targeted keywords in the domain name even though it's a lot easier to get where you want to be if you have some good keywords in the domain name even here.

    .com, .net and .org is to prefer. I can't say that any of them is better then another but for sure .info which is the cheapest domains one can get is often considered too carry too spammy content and pages. But then,,, I also do own a lot of .info domains and I am outranking a lot of .com domains with these so in my opinion it shouldn't make much of a difference. In the end it's all about content and about having the right and hard targeted content.

    If on another hand considering to setup a site and then flip it I wouldn't go for else then a .com domain as people tend to see them as carrying more value and autority compared to a .info, .biz or what ever domain.

    If you are trying to find anyone setting up a BH campaign for you here you will only loose money and get a crappy job done. The only ones who will jump on that is a bunch of noobs that will do you more harm then good. I think you will be verry dissapointed in the end. ...well.. there are a lot of knowledge here and a lot of people who can help you out but you need to know what you want and need first. I doubt that any experienced BH marketeer will offer you any service unless you clearly can state what you are looking for. The only one who will jump on this is people seeing easy money and who most likely won't give you the service you're wanting.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Go for WH SEO and if you are interested in BH use BH techniques to generate money from your site rather then using BH SEO techniques. This as the WH techniques most often is just as good if not even better if done right.
     
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